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Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by yellowapple » Mon, Feb 22, 2021, 8:47 PM UTC

visarga wrote: post #437

yellowapple wrote: post #327

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YouTube doesn't really fit the definition of a natural monopoly, particularly because there's nothing fundamentally stopping other services from popping up. YouTube's status as an effective monopoly doesn't come from some sort of scarcity of the means of production. > The cost to a competitor is in getting a user to switch. Only if we're assuming that users and uploaders will only ever use exactly one service at any…

> YouTube's status as an effective monopoly doesn't come from some sort of scarcity of the means of production. The problem here is in the network effect, not in scarcity.

Hence my belief that it ain't a natural monopoly.

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by Fogest » Mon, Feb 22, 2021, 9:14 PM UTC

deanCommie wrote: post #545

Fogest wrote: post #170

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Yes, a master/slave relationship in technology. Don't drop the context to support policing words. Context very much matters when dealing with words yet for some reason the context is dropped in order to make it seem like a word is being used in an offensive way. Except it's not, you're just forgetting the context to make it that way. If a process is directly commanding and telling another process what to do I don't s…

There is an open source tool that randomly terminates EC2 instances in the interest of chaos engineering called "chaos monkey". What would you think if the tool was called "concentration camp executioner"? You might think I'm making an extreme example to make a point, and I am - you would have a viscerally emotional reaction and recognize that the accuracy of a word does not offset the negative connotations associate…

Honestly that it's a stupid comparison. In one case you're talking about an animal that is chaotic. Monkeys by nature are pretty wild and chaotic animal so that word makes sense.

Your example doesn't make sense. Why would a tool be called that? You're describing a specific tragic event in event where as a monkey is.... a monkey....

Just stop. Your logic makes zero sense. Do not try and compare an animal to a historically tragic event to justify word policing. That is absolutely insane and is incredibly disrespectful. Your use of tragedies to justify your woke word policing is quite frankly disgusting.

The fact that you can't explain how it makes sense without comparing it to some random tragedy is no better than the people who call everyone with a conservative view a "nazi". Just knock it off.

Chaos monkey sounds completely fine and I can't see how any sane non-racist person would associate that with a black person. If that is what you are doing, I think you need to do some self-reflection on what that says about your own subconscious racist biases.

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by Fogest » Mon, Feb 22, 2021, 9:19 PM UTC

onethought wrote: post #550

Fogest wrote: post #537

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If you read the conversation I did stop having discussion with them and told them to stop having a discussion with me. Facts don't always tell a story or explain the "why". Often times you have to form an opinion based on the facts and that is what you're bringing to the table when discussing stuff. I don't see why I need to explain this concept on a site like this.

You’ve got a pretty hostile nature to the way you reply to people. Facts actually always tell the story and the “why” is more facts as well.

The "why" can be more facts but it is not always. Sometimes people create opinions based on facts when a causation is not known.

People also create factually incorrect opinions such as implying police are racist towards black people because they are arrested more. This is them deriving an opinion from a fact about incarcerations. Except the causation is already present, which is that lower income areas simply commit more crimes.

Now I'm not trying to argue about whether you think those facts are correct or not, but I'm using it to illustrate a point. A fact can also be wrong. Maybe the fact was derived from bad research. Opinions and facts can go hand and hand together. I don't know why you're trying to be so binary about it.

I also don't understand how this conversation is productive or is useful in anyway? It seems like we are debating meaningless semantics rather than the heart of the issue.

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by curlypaul924 » Mon, Feb 22, 2021, 9:48 PM UTC

Fogest wrote: post #541

curlypaul924 wrote: post #414

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The oreo itself may not be racist, but it most definitely is associated with racism because of its colors. So I would caution you in using it as an analogy; it may be why your post was flagged.

What? I have never in my life heard of a damn cookie being called racist. That is insane. I am not going to be caution in the least with using that anaology. I am using a cookie to talk about how ridiculous things are and you're telling me a cookie is offensive. That is insane.

Please do not misconstrue what I have said. The term "oreo" has a long history of being used as a racist epithet. There is nothing wrong with using it as an analogy, but in a discussion on racism, it might be better to pick a cookie with a similar color scheme that does not already have racist connotations, such as a Moon Pie. You are, of course, free to use whatever analogy you feel best expresses your point.

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by inopinatus » Mon, Feb 22, 2021, 9:54 PM UTC

mancerayder wrote: post #512

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Our monkey brains are not evolved to deal with the satisfaction barrage, the microdosed dopamine of incremental reputation tallies and continually met expectations. Social media platforms weaponise the limbic system in support of commerce, and once habituated, regrettably few people display a reflexive defiance when the same mechanisms are hijacked by hostile actors & propagandists. As any student of history knows, t…

>> an extremely small set of activists and journalists >This ratifies the well-known aphorism that a small group of dedicated individuals can change the world. It does not undermine the necessity for showing assholes the door. Wonderful. And the "asshole" designation that these Elect ("extremely small set of ..." as was put above) - how do they get to decide who's an asshole and gets shown the door, what are their cr…

> these Elect

Again, a statement dripping with derision, that is actually just sticking up for the rights of assholes.

> how do they get to decide who's an asshole

Peddling a message harmful to others.

> what is the procedure for the rest of us to appeal

"appeal" is for crooks, not wankers being thrown out of the pub

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by AnthonyMouse » Mon, Feb 22, 2021, 10:03 PM UTC

onethought wrote: post #396

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> I don't really agree that if you're in the social majority you can be upset about racism against your empowered majority position... it just doesn't make sense. It makes sense for two reasons. The first is that a huge amount of the "anti-white racism" is directed by "white people" against others nominally in the same group, implying that they aren't actually in the same social group and correspondingly that the tar…

As was pointed out in another thread: I should have said elite not majority

But now you're classifying redneck coal miners as "elites" which doesn't really work.

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by concordDance » Mon, Feb 22, 2021, 10:07 PM UTC

cloudfifty wrote: post #517

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More or less the belief that we are all equal with equal potential (it's more or less a consequence of egalitarianism). That if little Timmy just tries hard enough and is given enough support he'll be able to master differential equations.

Do you have an example of where this belief is expressed? Because the common trope afaik is "From each according to his ability , to each according to his needs". What would be the difference in public policy anyways if after-the-fact results differ?

Well, some public policy differences would be continuing to invest ever increasing amounts of money on the worst performers in schools in an attempt to get them up nearer the average.

Another might be seeing the lack of women plumbers (or whatever) and deciding that this is both bad and fixable and investing a bunch of money into advertising how awesome plumbing is to girls in school.

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by bsder » Mon, Feb 22, 2021, 10:20 PM UTC

KozmoNau7 wrote: post #364

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Intermediate size venues got wiped out because smokers are extremely profitable--smoking and drinking go together. You can have a small venue ( 1000) because it probably reached self-supporting. However, we lost a LOT of 100-1000 size venues from about 1990 to about 2005. And those are the ones that working musicians can make a living off of. But those need the stupidly profitable contingent that goes along with smok…

There must be other factors at play, because pre-pandemic I attended several live music events every month, a lot of them small Of course, all venues make sure to have outside areas for smoking, because that's the sensible thing to do.

Okay, I'm going to ask "Where?" because my musician friends probably want to move there once Covid is done.

Although, if you say Nashville or New York, you're not helping--those are mega anomalies and all the musicians are already there which makes the situation untenable.

Side Note: WTF, people? Why downvote this person?

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by ttt0 » Mon, Feb 22, 2021, 10:57 PM UTC

KozmoNau7 wrote: post #542

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Which is what you can see today, with corporations and the media promoting anti-white sentiments. Well, systems are made up of people, are they not?

If you think the current relatively mild upset of the status quo in any way constitutes an "anti-white sentiment", you've been living an extremely sheltered and privileged life. White men still hold the overwhelming power in the western world, in politics, business and culture. The fact that minorities are making their voices heard and demanding their rights be respected does not discriminate against white people. Va…

Yes, I was lucky enough to be born after the fall of communism, so I had the privilege that my parents and grandparents didn't have of not struggling through starvation, not being subjected to attempts of erasing my identity and genocides. See, we white people just don't know what real oppression is, which is low black employment and trigger happy cops.

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by npinguy » Mon, Feb 22, 2021, 11:07 PM UTC

Fogest wrote: post #552

deanCommie wrote: post #545

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There is an open source tool that randomly terminates EC2 instances in the interest of chaos engineering called "chaos monkey". What would you think if the tool was called "concentration camp executioner"? You might think I'm making an extreme example to make a point, and I am - you would have a viscerally emotional reaction and recognize that the accuracy of a word does not offset the negative connotations associate…

Honestly that it's a stupid comparison. In one case you're talking about an animal that is chaotic. Monkeys by nature are pretty wild and chaotic animal so that word makes sense. Your example doesn't make sense. Why would a tool be called that? You're describing a specific tragic event in event where as a monkey is.... a monkey.... Just stop. Your logic makes zero sense. Do not try and compare an animal to a historic…

> Do not try and compare an animal to a historically tragic event to justify word policing. Your use of tragedies to justify your woke word policing is quite frankly disgusting.

deanCommie was trying to get you to see that SLAVERY was also a historically tragic event that people are reminded of when they see terminology like master/slave.

> Chaos monkey sounds completely fine and I can't see how any sane non-racist person would associate that with a black person.

They weren't trying to say that. This whole discussion is master/slave. This is precisely the point - chaos monkey is a fine neutral term that describes what is needed without any negative connotations. "Concentration camp guard" isn't.

Primary/replica is a fine neutral term. "Master/slave" aren't.

Honestly, your outrage about the comparison to concentration camps exactly proves the point that language matters regardless of intent.