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‘Tokenized’: Black Workers’ Struggles at Coinbase

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Re: ‘Tokenized’: Black Workers’ Struggles at Coinbase

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Post by bzb6 »

throw98721 wrote: post #494

Racism won’t be a problem once color of the skin is no longer a point of the argument. As long as people demand x/y hires to be of a certain race or color, the companies will have to continue hiring for diversity, and not for the best qualified candidates. Stop counting who is who, and the market will take of itself.

People used to hire the best qualified candidates only. Nobody hired blacks.

I’m not saying the two are related, but the latter was seen as a problem and these forced diversity quotas were instituted.

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Post by unityByFreedom »

koonsolo wrote: post #534
unityByFreedom wrote: post #425

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My takeaway from such comments is their perception that it is not a problem for them . And, they are in denial, since if it wasn't a problem for them they would not question the story. Sharing stories does help. Racism is rooted in lack of exposure to diversity. It may never be eradicated but working to end it among every new generation is worthwhile IMO.

> Racism is rooted in lack of exposure to diversity. The biggest racists that I know grew up in an environment with the most diversity (talking about EU here, not US). It also shows in political results, where extreme right is most voted on in diverse environments.

Sure you can find racists anywhere. It's more about their home environment than it is about anything external. But if your parents tell you white people are bad and you meet one who's nice you might start to question that upbringing.

Re: ‘Tokenized’: Black Workers’ Struggles at Coinbase

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Post by Mediterraneo10 »

xenihn wrote: post #471
evan_ wrote: post #468

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> you could say "Soviet" instead of "Russian" to clearly demarcate between the nation and the nationality. The demonym for the people who lived in the Soviet Union was “Soviet.” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union

Sure, but if you had neighbors who immigrated to the US from Moscow in the late 80s, would you refer to them as "Soviet" or "Russian"?

Jews, who formed such a large part of the emigration from the Soviet Union in the 1970s and 1980s to the USA, often bristle at being called "Russian". Yes, their language is now Russian after Eastern Europe's Jews have shifted away from Yiddish, but they still don't consider themselves Russians. For example, my own mother-in-law is a member of this emigre demographic and insists on being referred to as "a Jew from the Soviet Union".

Re: ‘Tokenized’: Black Workers’ Struggles at Coinbase

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Post by sumedh »

throwawayriver wrote: post #547
sumedh wrote: post #545

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> That's on them. Apparently you still don't get it.

>Apparently you still don't get it. I do. Stop projecting about "not getting it". I fully explained the position, and why your original example falls through. QED.

No you dont get it, its not a projection. Some people dont want to deal with police complaint. If you dont understand that you will never get it.

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unityByFreedom wrote: post #552
koonsolo wrote: post #534

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> Racism is rooted in lack of exposure to diversity. The biggest racists that I know grew up in an environment with the most diversity (talking about EU here, not US). It also shows in political results, where extreme right is most voted on in diverse environments.

Sure you can find racists anywhere. It's more about their home environment than it is about anything external. But if your parents tell you white people are bad and you meet one who's nice you might start to question that upbringing.

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Post by xenihn »

dragonwriter wrote: post #528
ljlolel wrote: post #525

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You've got a bit to learn about Tibet, HK, Xinjiang ( a muslim region), and soon Taiwan

> You've got a bit to learn about Tibet, HK, Xinjiang ( a muslim region), and soon Taiwan Or, you've got to read to the end of the sentence: > Mostly because China didn't conquer a bunch of neighbors and create a name for the resulting state distinct from “China” That last part matters.

You know China doesn't refer to themselves as China, right? China is Portugese in origin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_China

Re: ‘Tokenized’: Black Workers’ Struggles at Coinbase

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Post by blub »

slg wrote: post #252
blub wrote: post #250

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When accusations of racism are being thrown around carelessly and people are having their reputations destroyed and lives turned upside down because of a single thing they (allegedly) said, the potential future targets of these accusations realize that the stakes just became much higher for them. So why would they support and enable those that might come for their own heads next? It's rational to be antagonistic in s…

What is "careless" about the accusations in the article and who at Coinbase is having their life ruined by a "single thing they (allegedly) said"? It sounds like you are letting your fears of this overall issue impact how you view these specific accusations against a specific company.

The fact that my comment doesn't mention the word "Coinbase" should be a pretty strong hint that I'm referring to a general situation.

What happens at one company is utterly irrelevant, but what happens in many places and in many countries is much more concerning and it also reflects on this situation and the comments.

Re: ‘Tokenized’: Black Workers’ Struggles at Coinbase

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Post by koonsolo »

unityByFreedom wrote: post #552
koonsolo wrote: post #534

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> Racism is rooted in lack of exposure to diversity. The biggest racists that I know grew up in an environment with the most diversity (talking about EU here, not US). It also shows in political results, where extreme right is most voted on in diverse environments.

Sure you can find racists anywhere. It's more about their home environment than it is about anything external. But if your parents tell you white people are bad and you meet one who's nice you might start to question that upbringing.

You clearly didn't hear what I said.

For example, there is a reason why gay people don't like to walk around in muslim environments, and it has nothing to do with how their parents raised them.

So like I said, your theory is that when you are exposed to diversity, you have less racism. But the numbers (such as political preference) show completely the opposite.

Re: ‘Tokenized’: Black Workers’ Struggles at Coinbase

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Post by blub »

triceratops wrote: post #336
blub wrote: post #250

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When accusations of racism are being thrown around carelessly and people are having their reputations destroyed and lives turned upside down because of a single thing they (allegedly) said, the potential future targets of these accusations realize that the stakes just became much higher for them. So why would they support and enable those that might come for their own heads next? It's rational to be antagonistic in s…

> people are having their reputations destroyed and lives turned upside down because of a single thing they (allegedly) said Then perhaps you can find it in you to empathize with the black folks who are scared of the police, and can begin to understand BLM. You have something in common with them.

I continue to look out after friends and of course family and strongly believe in equal basic rights for all human beings but BLM (and other causes) are not my fight.

Starting several years ago I couldn't deny any more that several groups use political correctness as a weapon to hurt others. They do not deserve my help nor empathy.

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Post by leppr »

adjkant wrote: post #418
leppr wrote: post #406

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> Coinbase's own (unrefuted) numbers show they are far worse than other tech companies. Where is your conception based off of? They are (were?) at 3% vs 6% average, on small absolute numbers. Not great but certainly within margin of forgiveness. My conception is based on the scene as a whole, which is extremely international. Look at the public personalities in crypto vs. the wider VC tech scene. It's possible Coinba…

> which is extremely international Racism against Africans can be found internationally, but in this case we are talking specifically African-Americans. Being international does not mean diverse in this specific way, it just means diverse in terms of nationality. For a good example, as the article and many have highlighted, asian representation is not an issue at Coinbase. Racism isn't generalized but specific to rac…

You may be right on the first point, I won't speculate. I just wanted to point out that it's unlikely to be something endemic to the space.

> What's the real material racism that crypto stops that other forms of payment or speculative trading fall victim to?

Access to financial services like loans for instance. No human or even AI model to judge you based on external factors.

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