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Re: Helsinki Relocation Package: City as a Service

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Overall my experience in Helsinki has been hugely positive. I’ve been here now over a decade and have settled with work and family life. Work life balance is great, there’s a beautiful outdoors to enjoy all year, and the people are warm and kind, if not difficult to start with. All that said, there’s a lot of bullshit and hot air here in this thread: - public healthcare is great until you have something difficult to…

Hi Dean, hope all is well! I don't think it's all that bad here.

Most employers offer private healthcare and even if you buy the insurance yourself its inexpensive. I also disagree that difficult cases aren't dealt with properly on the public side, in my experience it's been the opposite: simple cases are ignored, but serious ones are taken care of properly.

There's plenty of English language daycares and plenty of non IT jobs for non-Finnish speakers in both smaller companies and medium sized ones as well. IT consultancies are a different story.

Winter is no worse than in mainland Europe or Britain and if you go a bit inland, you see a lot more snow.

If you use a big bank like Nordea then you get great English service, at least in my experience, same goes for other services.

I grew up in Finland and wanted desperately to get away when I finished high school, but having lived in the UK, Germany and Russia and spent some time in the US, my views have changed.

An aside, if anyone reading this is interested in relocating here as a developer, we at Toughbyte can help. Here's a blog post we wrote on the topic:

https://www.toughbyte.com/blog/relocating-to-finland-as-a-de...

Finally all our open positions in Helsinki can be found here:

https://www.toughbyte.com/positions?location=Helsinki%2C+Fin...

Re: Helsinki Relocation Package: City as a Service

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You're "making good money in Silicon Valley" and don't have health insurance? Are you freelancing and choosing not to purchase insurance?

You're obviously not from the US. In the US, they have this concept of a "pre-existing condition", and depending on your situation, a health insurance might cover it, or not, as far as I understand. Even making good money in SV, you can still end up with a medical bankruptcy (or your family, for that matter).

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Re: Helsinki Relocation Package: City as a Service

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You're "making good money in Silicon Valley" and don't have health insurance? Are you freelancing and choosing not to purchase insurance?

You're obviously not from the US. In the US, they have this concept of a "pre-existing condition", and depending on your situation, a health insurance might cover it, or not, as far as I understand. Even making good money in SV, you can still end up with a medical bankruptcy (or your family, for that matter).

You're about a decade late with this comment.

Just like I won't expound on German healthcare policy, maybe you should reserve judgement on US healthcare policy until you actually know what you're talking about.

Re: Helsinki Relocation Package: City as a Service

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I don’t buy that. Japanese is completely different, too, but I learned most of it while in Japan where I was forced to speak it. Finish kids don’t need ten years to learn the language either, do they?

Finnish kids have finnish-speaking parents, and spend their entire days immersed in the language, at home, daycare, or school. Expats are most likely are in an English-speaking environment at work, where speaking Finnish at the level of a four-year-old is going to be a bit of a hindrance; no practice at home unless they have a Finnish partner, and no real options for social activities that will tolerate the learning…

I moved to Finland, and then had a child. He's now nearing four years old and he's very bilingual - to the extent that he translates for me at times.

Children learn the local language, partly because of immersion, but also because they're corrected nearly constantly when they begin to speak. We forget that when they're capable of "good" communication.

I'm seeing interesting things here, I speak to the child exclusively in English and as far as he's concerned I speak/understand zero Finnish. I'm hoping I can start speaking more Finnish in the near future, he should be able to understand I'm "mostly English".

One obvious thing that really drives the language home is the notion of pronouns. Finnish has no gendered ones, so when he speaks English to me he'll be "Mummy is asleep, he will wake up soon?". I have to keep saying "Mummy is a girl, we say she". I've been doing that for 8+ months, and he still doesn't get it right. That's the level of repetition that's involved in learning a new language.. and even now it hasn't "stuck".

Re: Helsinki Relocation Package: City as a Service

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How would this look for someone who is 40 years old with wife and 2 kids? I've now transitioned to tech leadership roles for the last 4 years after ~16 of being purely tech, but i'm afraid my relocation prospects have dwindled because of passing some arbitrary age barrier

Re: Helsinki Relocation Package: City as a Service

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They immediately reply in English and have little tolerance for someone speaking their language with even a vague accent. Have seen it many times.

Interesting. Is this professional conversations or in stores / restaurants / on the streets? I thought English is not spoken by many folks over there, at least outside the IT/tech scene.

If you pick an average person under 40 they will have near-perfect English. Partly due to media, partly due to the internet.

English seems common in the groups of immigrants you come across too. I know people who've moved from France, etc, and there are lots of immigrants from various countries - many of whom speak their own language, and English as the second. Some go on to learn Finnish to a greater or lesser extent.

I've ordered food in restaurants, cider/whisky in pubs, etc, and had the server just reply back in English.

Me: "saisinko omena cidre?" Them: "Do you want ice?"

On the one hand it is helpful at times, but on the other hand it is deeply frustrating. 90% of the staff at the local newsagents has pulled me aside on a quiet morning and asked "Do you prefer English or Finnish?" I say "Finnish", but to be honest the conversations I have with the shop-staff are mostly them reading the total, and asking "would you like a receipt/bag/anything else?" so it doesn't help me in any real sense, but it's nice they offer/ask.

Re: Helsinki Relocation Package: City as a Service

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Helsinki is 600,000 people and 400/km^2. That's essentially the same as Oklahoma City. I know OKC has a basketball team and city is in the name, but most people wouldn't call OKC a big city and wouldn't be surprised by better air quality compared to places with millions of people.

Air quality is often driven by geography too; there are tons of cities that are notorious for their poor air quality due to being in a basin or an inconveniently placed mountain trapping car exhaust where the people are.

True. E.g. Salt Lake City

Re: Helsinki Relocation Package: City as a Service

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This is neat. Some things I like about finland/helsinki: Happy down to earth citizens, socially liberal with far less echochamber/signalling/two-faced bs than california for instance, tons of Finnish sauna, & great air quality for a big city.

Helsinki is 600,000 people and 400/km^2. That's essentially the same as Oklahoma City. I know OKC has a basketball team and city is in the name, but most people wouldn't call OKC a big city and wouldn't be surprised by better air quality compared to places with millions of people.

2,934 people per sq km in Helsinki, 1.5M in the metro.

321.9 people per square km in Oklahoma city.

IME helsinki these feels & has the dynamics of a big city.

Oklahoma city feels mostly like a suburban sprawl.

Re: Helsinki Relocation Package: City as a Service

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Maybe I am being dumb (Finnish application officers, do not read this) but I dont understand what the offer is. A 90 days business visa? Forget it, I just read this: > The “90-Day Finn” program is funded by the Helsinki Business Hub and is specifically targeted at “technical professionals” on the west coast of the United States. Hub will fund the “90-day free transfer package to Helsinki” and invite children. This an…

Kinda ironic that the site and a bunch of commenters on here are boasting about how egalitarian Finland is, and yet this is an opportunity to temporarily relocate that is only offered to top Silicon Valley talent.
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