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My Resignation from the Intercept

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Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by eindiran »

serial_dev wrote: post #541
Nacdor wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have anything to support this accusation? I've been watching him closely for several years and it seems the mortal sin he committed was his failure to join the Russiagate bandwagon. In the end that was clearly the correct choice, but the liberal media no longer tolerates anyone who has the audacity to undermine their chosen narrative.

> In the end that was clearly the correct choice You think (and to be honest, I agree with you) it was clearly the correct choice. If you ask anyone from the MSNBC/NYT/CNN/WaPo's audience (substantial amount of people), they will say it was clearly the wrong choice. Two movies on one screen.

> Two movies on one screen.

It reminds me of Shiri's Scissors: https://slatestarcodex.com/2018/10/30/sort-by-controversial/

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by serial_dev »

scsilver wrote: post #410
burlesona wrote: post #373

Honest question: is it just me or is it getting harder to determine what is factual and what is not? It seems like the US has begun to splinter such that there are two different sets of "facts" on many issues, but of course that is not how facts work. Nevertheless, when doing research and investigation is it often hard for me to pin down the truth behind any of the "facts" that are thrown at me, whether that's by the…

If I was a foreign adversary of the US, I would be supporting this "balkanization" of the US

If I was part of the intelligence community, I would be supporting this "balkanization" of the US.

I find that many in the US are quick to blame and suspect foreign adversaries behind everything where the intelligence community makes just as much sense (to me).

Reminds me of Scott Adams recent Robot Reads News cartoon (couldn't find a link) where the gist of the joke was: "There is no evidence yet that Russia is behind the leaks. That is so Putin!"

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by umvi »

darkerside wrote: post #544
umvi wrote: post #49

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Hosted with whom? Some private company no doubt that could be pressured to censor if a big enough twitterstorm came along.

You seriously think AWS or Google is going to shut down a private independent journalism website because of a Twitter storm? When has that happened in the past that makes it remotely possible?

If Cloudflare can be pressured to withdraw hosting for Daily Stormer, it's not hard to imagine AWS withdrawing hosting for Daily Stormer as well.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by jrochkind1 »

reaperducer wrote: post #361
jrochkind1 wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the general sense, it's not a new problem. One of the main points I got from Chomsky & Herman's _Manufacturing Consent_ (1988, analyzing news from a decade earlier), is that journalists print what the government says because it's convenient -- it's less work to print what the government (or anyone else) says at a press conference than to do your own research -- AND even when it comes to privately given info, becau…

Chomsky & Herman's _Manufacturing Consent_ (1988, analyzing news from a decade earlier), While it may be good work, it's so out of date it's useless as a tool for evaluating the media landscape of today. I spent 20 years as a journalist and can tell you from first-hand experience and the contacts I have kept in the industry that the media today is not the same as the media of 2010, or 2000, or 1990, and certainly not…

I can believe it. There's been a heck of a lot of change, newsrooms have been decimated.

To me, like I said, mostly what I remember taking from it is how it got me thinking about how a journalists dependence on sources, and resource-constraints to be able to get out stories without exceeding available time to report em... leads to over-reliance on reporting what the powerful say as "the news" and by implication "what happened".

I'd suspect that is still relevant to the landscape of today, probably even MORE so because reporting resources have been so devastated, but do you think not?

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Post by scottlocklin »

throwaway3699 wrote: post #31
gfodor wrote: post #6

The media has fallen into the well-known trap of optimizing the wrong KPI. You want to maximize trust with the public, not engagement, if you want your media company to survive if its value proposition is providing journalism and the usual benefits that come with a free press. Unfortunately, not only is engagement the wrong metric, but it's also one which incentivizes the undermining of the actual metric you need to…

What do you make of the idea that independent journalists on the web being the future?

Same is it ever was; IF Stone was one of the greats of his era, and he basically fed himself with a private newsletter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I._F._Stone

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by crocodiletears »

green_rooster wrote: post #527

The e-mail exchange that Greenwald just published is very damaging to his case. His editors make some reasonable editorial suggestions about the focus of his piece and he immediately screams censorship, impugns their integrity and threatens to resign. I think it's extremely likely that he has been planning to move to an independent venture for a while and was just looking for the most attention-grabbing means of doin…

I missed this. Do you have a link?

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

GekkePrutser wrote: post #419
bachmeier wrote: post #20

"as a last-ditch attempt to avoid being censored, I encouraged them to air their disagreements with me by writing their own articles that critique my perspectives and letting readers decide who is right" That's not how this works. If the editor concludes that it's a garbage story dropped a few days before the election in an attempt to influence the election, you don't run it and then "let the readers decide who is ri…

If the article contains the truth and is about some serious misconduct, wouldn't influencing the election be a good thing? This is the very role of journalism. It's important that the public makes a decision based on all the facts. I can totally see his point with journalistic bias and the money strings. The ideal of independent press has long been dropped, and now we have news agencies of every political denominatio…

If. But if the article contains some outright falsehoods about serious misconduct, and it still influences the election, is that a good thing?

Mind you, I'm not clearly on the "don't publish" side. But that position is not clearly wrong.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by not_a_moth »

bachmeier wrote: post #20

"as a last-ditch attempt to avoid being censored, I encouraged them to air their disagreements with me by writing their own articles that critique my perspectives and letting readers decide who is right" That's not how this works. If the editor concludes that it's a garbage story dropped a few days before the election in an attempt to influence the election, you don't run it and then "let the readers decide who is ri…

Why are you assuming the editors think it's garbage and aren't acting politically. The fact that greenwald just resigned from the org he founded, and the scathing reasons he gave, makes it pretty plausble it's about politics not journalistic standards.

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Post by theknocker »

reaperducer wrote: post #361
jrochkind1 wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the general sense, it's not a new problem. One of the main points I got from Chomsky & Herman's _Manufacturing Consent_ (1988, analyzing news from a decade earlier), is that journalists print what the government says because it's convenient -- it's less work to print what the government (or anyone else) says at a press conference than to do your own research -- AND even when it comes to privately given info, becau…

Chomsky & Herman's _Manufacturing Consent_ (1988, analyzing news from a decade earlier), While it may be good work, it's so out of date it's useless as a tool for evaluating the media landscape of today. I spent 20 years as a journalist and can tell you from first-hand experience and the contacts I have kept in the industry that the media today is not the same as the media of 2010, or 2000, or 1990, and certainly not…

For anyone who actually understands the principles explained in the book, it's clearly still applicable today.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by clairity »

lordnacho wrote: post #316
gfodor wrote: post #6

The media has fallen into the well-known trap of optimizing the wrong KPI. You want to maximize trust with the public, not engagement, if you want your media company to survive if its value proposition is providing journalism and the usual benefits that come with a free press. Unfortunately, not only is engagement the wrong metric, but it's also one which incentivizes the undermining of the actual metric you need to…

This is why the Economist, FT and the WSJ still have a somewhat positive reputation. They're expensive and tend to write about things that are important, not sensational. All other publications are slowly falling victim to the parametdynamicser of the entertainment game, including ones that were also in that bracket not long ago. Mind you I'm not saying WaPo and NYT are trash now, they did start with a high rep and t…

note that the economist, ft and wsj are neither impartial nor a well-rounded balance of daily record. but yes, wapo and nyt--and i'll add npr--have largely turned into partisan opinionating (which i'd coin covidizing, if i had any such clout), save a few longer-form investigative pieces (which have a leaning via editorial discretion, but aren't typically editorialized).
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