Oculus Quest 2 • Hacker News Board

Re: Oculus Quest 2

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Post by chaostheory » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 4:58 PM UTC

anilakar wrote: post #473

chaostheory wrote: post #173

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yeah but WMR requires a PC. Quest is an all in one device that you just turn on and put on your head.

I'd compare the Quest 2 to Nintendo's Wii and Switch. It's probably a good platform for the few exclusive titles that have been designed from the ground up to work on the gimmicky controllers and below-than-average hardware specs.

The old Quest can play Steam games. The new Quest addresses Quest 1's performance issues. When Quest 2 is linked to PC, I doubt most people would notice any large differences from Quest 2 vs say WMR or older gen Vives and Rift.

Re: Oculus Quest 2

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Post by Ruthalas » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 5:12 PM UTC

someperson wrote: post #425

na85 wrote: post #421

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>Is anyone interested? Honestly, I feel like you could position such a project as "Deconstructing Facebook's business models one step at a time: The corporation" and hire a lot of anarcho-hacker types while positioning the company as a social-good venture. I personally would love to get paid to gradually undercut and destroy facebook. I worry that 2 things would happen: 1. The company would become what it set out to…

Open-firmware has had a long history, with varied degrees of success. From RockBox for the iPod to the ReactOS open re-implementation of Windows. I think now is different. I think crowd-funding has changed the economics of such projects from a few passionate hackers working in their spare time to now being able to fund people working on such a project full-time. There's probably tens of thousands of users willing to…

I for one, would support that patreon!

Re: Oculus Quest 2

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Post by cwhiz » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 5:17 PM UTC

justchilly wrote: post #492

cwhiz wrote: post #404

Please, anyone, desperately anyone, literally anyone, please, for the love of god, make a competing headset that doesn’t have this deep Facebook integration bullshit. I do not want to see this become the Oasis.

How much would you be willing to pay for a comparable headset without a required facebook account. Clearly FB is planning to extract value from this, and is why they can price this at just $299. They're betting customers will give up some data/privacy for that low price.

The Quest was $400 and didn’t require a Facebook account. It looks like they cut some corners on materials to get the price down to $300.

I would be willing to pay $400-$500 for a Quest 2 if it didn’t have the Facebook integration.

More importantly, I’d like to see Facebook FORCED to provide a monthly dollar value that they think my data is worth.

Re: Oculus Quest 2

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Post by filoleg » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 5:39 PM UTC

gonehome wrote: post #298

filoleg wrote: post #295

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Your original complaint was that you have to rebuy games you already bought for Rift to be able to play them on Quest, which is not true. You can play them on Quest the exact same way you were able to on Rift. Also, wireless solution isn't "crappy". I tried Half-Life: Alyx using both cable and wireless (VRDesktop) for an hour each, and ended up finishing the game using wireless, because it felt more comfortable, and…

> "You can play them on Quest the exact same way you were able to on Rift." Yeah, but the entire point of buying the Quest is so I don't have to play them the exact way I was able to on the Rift. For a comparison, what you're describing feels like this: 1. I buy a videogame on steam and play it on my computer. 2. I buy a new computer and download steam. 3. Steam tells me that I have to rebuy the game to play it on ne…

>It's ridiculous that the quest version of the game is a separate thing you have to buy even though it's the same store.

Again, this isn't Oculus' fault in this case, but the dev's. It is dev's choice whether to offer their product as cross-buy or not.

And, in a lot of cases, it makes sense why they didn't do it. For example, if the differences between versions are so stark that they are almost different games, paying separately makes sense. For me, personally, about half of the games I own that exist on both Rift and Quest were purchased with cross-buy, so I didn't have to pay twice. And I like to support devs who do things in the interests of the consumer with my wallet.

Re: Oculus Quest 2

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Post by artificial » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 6:30 PM UTC

skummetmaelk wrote: post #469

atoav wrote: post #431

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Which is in itself a huge problem in democratic societies as demonstrated e.g. by Cambridge analytica. I think the potential harm that this business model produces and the power it gives the companies who deploy them, is something our formerly nice working systems didn't really price in when the seperation of powers was invented. So while protection of privacy is always also the right of one individual, I think it is…

CA actually did get access to user data because they abused a loophole in the Facebook app API that let them grab all the details of not only people who used the app, but also every single one of their friends. They were also using data given to researchers by Facebook as part of a collaboration.

There isn't a loophole with the graph, it was designed for this and was used notably by Zygna and later the Obama campaign. When the campaign hoovered up everything in 2011/2012 and set off alarms, FB saw what they were doing and didn't hinder it. Instead they reached out them, stating that they're on the same side. Hopefully these links aren't mangled.

Here's the media championing it:

"How a dream team of engineers from Facebook, Twitter, and Google built the software that drove Barack Obama's reelection"

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/11/when-...

"How President Obama’s campaign used big data to rally individual voters."

https://www.technologyreview.com/2012/12/19/114510/how-obama...

"Obama, Facebook and the power of friendship: the 2012 data election"

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/feb/17/obama-digital-...

"the firm never tried to stop them when they realized what was doing, and even told them they'd made a special exception for them"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5520303/Obama-campa...

"Why are politicians now freaking out about a feature that has been publicly documented since its inception and that was discontinued three years ago?"

https://reason.com/2018/03/23/cambridge-analytics-dust-up-re...

Re: Oculus Quest 2

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Post by fsflover » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 6:40 PM UTC

ccktlmazeltov wrote: post #232

fsflover wrote: post #212

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So what is the opinion of the other side?

That it actually connects friends, and people, across communities and countries?

There is no contradiction here. What you say is true, yet FB does terrible things at the same time.

Re: Oculus Quest 2

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Post by artificial » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 6:44 PM UTC

e_y_ wrote: post #362

jjn2009 wrote: post #285

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buying peoples data would be a big deal, that's why its not a nit picky detail. I also don't agree with facebook having all of my data in the first place but they don't just tar up my entire life and hand it to someone.

Not on purpose, anyways. In the past they were too lax about letting third-party apps get your data, hence the Cambridge Analytica scandal.

(ab)Used by Zynga earlier to great success with Farmville and Mafia Wars.

https://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/is-zyngas-depend...

Re: Oculus Quest 2

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Post by chrischen » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 6:48 PM UTC

jmiskovic wrote: post #510

chrischen wrote: post #500

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Just make a dummy facebook account. No one is forcing you to give them your real personal info.

Facebook now requests personal ID when they suspect account is fake. They can ban your account if they find it to be fake, which also cuts access to any store content you've paid for. This is done automatically and quite efficiently by algorithms. They've now announced some kind of developer accounts for businesses that won't be tied to personal FB accounts.

I feel like if they started banning and cutting access to paid content they’d be doing something illegal or at least setting themselves up for class action.

EDIT: i guess you’re right. They are that draconian: https://www.roadtovr.com/fake-facebook-account-oculus-headse...

It’s no wonder they were banned in China. They’d rival the Party in big brother power.

Re: Oculus Quest 2

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Post by jmiskovic » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 7:04 PM UTC

chrischen wrote: post #558

jmiskovic wrote: post #510

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Facebook now requests personal ID when they suspect account is fake. They can ban your account if they find it to be fake, which also cuts access to any store content you've paid for. This is done automatically and quite efficiently by algorithms. They've now announced some kind of developer accounts for businesses that won't be tied to personal FB accounts.

I feel like if they started banning and cutting access to paid content they’d be doing something illegal or at least setting themselves up for class action. EDIT: i guess you’re right. They are that draconian: https://www.roadtovr.com/fake-facebook-account-oculus-headse... It’s no wonder they were banned in China. They’d rival the Party in big brother power.

They have also voluntarily stopped selling in Germany. Most likely they anticipated gross violation of some policy. It would be interesting to know which one. On average EU has far better citizen protection mechanisms than US.

Re: Oculus Quest 2

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Post by cwhiz » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 7:33 PM UTC

ponker wrote: post #494

cwhiz wrote: post #404

Please, anyone, desperately anyone, literally anyone, please, for the love of god, make a competing headset that doesn’t have this deep Facebook integration bullshit. I do not want to see this become the Oasis.

Facebook is probably selling this at a loss... who can compete with that?

Apple, Google, Amazon, Microsoft, IBM, Tencent, Elon Musk, Samsung, Huawei, Dell, etc. There is no shortage of companies who could compete with Facebook on a technical level. Just so far there isn't any. My hope is that Facebook creates the market and other companies come in and diversify it. Otherwise we'll be in some sad dystopia where the only way to get VR is to hand over all of your private data.