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Zoom to bring end-to-end encryption to all users, including non-paying

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Re: Zoom to bring end-to-end encryption to all users, including non-paying

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Post by kinkrtyavimoodh »

BrandoElFollito wrote: post #545
kinkrtyavimoodh wrote: post #537

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And the reasons it takes time to port those features is because Google respects GSuite's privacy promises.

What do you mean? How porting, say, Inbox has anything to do with privacy? This is the same codebase.

There were other examples in the list too. "Parental controls, google assistant for home users, reminders"... a lot of these are difficult to do because GSuite data is extremely siloed and almost designed to be not easily interoperable with other Google products. This is entirely for privacy reasons.

Re: Zoom to bring end-to-end encryption to all users, including non-paying

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Post by g-b-r »

pwdisswordfish2 wrote: post #521
g-b-r wrote: post #513

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I don't know what's going on here, I never said that any peer-to-peer software sucks or that the concept is obsolete, in fact I much prefer it if a system is distributed/peer-to-peer. All I said and cared to stress, to avoid that someone reading this make mistaken assumptions about p2p software (although probably few of this site's users would run the risk), is that ^^^they don't, as you claimed in https://news.ycomb…

I mean the term as it is being used by Zoom and others, not just the acronym. What I commented is that I am not interested in the term "end-to-end encryption". To me, at this point, it does not mean anything. It is no more meaningful than "cloud computing", "big data" or "AI". I prefer to read source code, not marketing copy. I want to know what something "does" not what it "is". The former is factual the later is po…

Bah (yes, looking at the source code instead of the description is a good advice, and to focus on the comments is another one, but I really lost you) (sorry for the late reply)

Re: Zoom to bring end-to-end encryption to all users, including non-paying

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Post by skinnymuch »

themacguffinman wrote: post #436
skinnymuch wrote: post #399

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How many people want to deal with an inferior product? I used Jitsi for over a year. There’s no deal breaker. But so many little or medium issues with how inferior it is to Zoom. It’s a hard ask (outside specific vocal minorities online)

Governments deal with inferior products all the time. At least in this case, there's a good reason to do so. The security of court systems would surely be higher priority than "my grandma couldn't install Jitsi" if they were pushed to choose.

Outside of court systems and some or a lot of government stuff, what use is there for inferior products vs Zoom? I don’t think China or whoever else is the boogeyman right now is going to care what mid level execs at most companies are talking about.

Re: Zoom to bring end-to-end encryption to all users, including non-paying

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Post by skinnymuch »

soraminazuki wrote: post #426
skinnymuch wrote: post #398

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That’s a drop in the bucket. A spike of a couple thousand downloads is a rounding error to the big platforms. Downloading of Signal doesn’t signify privacy concerns. I have Signal because others do. Not because I care about signal’s privacy.

It's still a noticeable increase, though. Taking into account that this was triggered by mass protests, it's very likely many of these people are concerned about government snooping.

It’s a noticeable increase from almost nothing though. The increase would be just as dramatic if all the numbers were 10x smaller too. I’m sure at that point most would agree it’s just too small of a number to matter.

Re: Zoom to bring end-to-end encryption to all users, including non-paying

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Post by themacguffinman »

skinnymuch wrote: post #553
themacguffinman wrote: post #436

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Governments deal with inferior products all the time. At least in this case, there's a good reason to do so. The security of court systems would surely be higher priority than "my grandma couldn't install Jitsi" if they were pushed to choose.

Outside of court systems and some or a lot of government stuff, what use is there for inferior products vs Zoom? I don’t think China or whoever else is the boogeyman right now is going to care what mid level execs at most companies are talking about.

Not sure why you're implying that security in the private sector is useless. China has been known to hack and infiltrate private companies. Fun fact: this is why Google left China in the first place. You think China doesn't care what employees are discussing at Intel or AMD? You think they're not interested in worming their way into Apple's messaging systems to identify and monitor dissidents?

You think the backdoors that Zoom are likely creating for the Chinese government won't ever be found and used by malicious hackers?

You really think the Chinese-American human rights activists whose Zoom accounts were identified and banned from a private video call with Chinese-based allies and friends and family are thinking "what use is there for inferior products?"

Oh well, we live in free countries. You're free to open your company and possibly your Chinese colleagues/friends to China or whoever else is the boogeyman right now.

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Post by deathgrips »

cutemonster wrote: post #543
deathgrips wrote: post #538

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I measure virtue by how much you are willing to lose for the sake of your values or because you want to help other people. If you aren't willing to give up anything, you're not virtuous no matter what you say. Actions matter. If you say you care about privacy but do nothing to protect your privacy, you don't really care about privacy in any way that matters. Since you mildly inconvenience yourself for the sake of pri…

Is, would you say, virtue signaling to say something others like but not actually do something inconvenient related to that oneself?

Yes and more than that. It's virtue signaling to say you have some value when you have no evidence to back up that claim.

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Post by software3e »

arthurcolle wrote: post #162
boogies wrote: post #159

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Jitsi Meet's not a viable competitor? It's simpler to set up (accounts and password protection are optional), IMO easier to use (eg. the hand button is on the bottom bar with mute, etc. and not in a menu labeled "Participants") and higher quality according to the New York Times, who deemed it "reliable and easy to use": https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/best-video-confer... . I've introduced it to extended f…

We tested it at my org, it doesn't scale past 15 users

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