Smart Move! Twitter employees will be more healthier than others if they utilize this time to focus on health and socializing differently. Local communities will become stronger and will help employees work from anywhere. Personally, I would love to work in a warm place during peak winters.
Twitter Will Allow Employees to Work at Home Forever
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#552I really like the current forced WFH experiment but I have one major issue:
How do you emulate serendipity in work remote. Finding it hard to have ad-hoc engineering conversations when you have to book a 30min cal window to talk about anything : /.
Personal productivity is up, creativity, down.
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#553It would be good if more tech companies embraced this. I bet if they need tools for themselves we’ll see a lot of progress in remote collaboration tools. To make this work I wonder how executives will adapt. In my company the higher you go up the chain, the more they want face to face communication. I guess most top executives are people persons so not seeing things like body language or using body language takes awa…
Anecdotally I'm not really sure how much of people persons higher ups are, at least in engineering. Pretty much all of the SVPs / CTOs at the medium to large (but not huge) companies I've worked were not really people people. They've been somewhat socially awkward and naturally introverted. They can stand in front of a crowd and speak of course, and present in relatively high pressure situations, but I don't think they actually enjoy dealing with people all that much.
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#554I think if you work with a brilliant group of coworkers that you love to hangout out with, then you are lucky and I can see how you miss being in the office. But, thats not the case for many of us. The crux of work relationships is that they are not voluntary. You might get lucky and have ones you love, or you might get some that are distracting, or at worse, you dislike. Either way though you are stuck with them. I…
> If you could eliminate the 1 hour of wasted time daily on small talk and office distractions, as well as the 1 hour daily on commuting, that leaves you two extra hours a day of your life to focus on whatever you chose.
In practice we might just end up working longer hours.
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#555Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wfh and I won't work for a company that bases my pay on my zipcode (Gitlab). I want complete flexibility on where I live. There are plenty of remote companies that don't do that, especially now post-covid. I wish more people would reject zip code COL so that companies starting to WFH don't just take Gitlabs idea of it.
>There are plenty of remote companies that don't do that Care to name some?
This is a good list and lets you know if they're globally competitive or not. I'm not sure how much it's been maintained since covid so ymmv; https://github.com/yanirs/established-remote
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#556For me too many companies use the "family" aspect of things too much. No, we're not a family. My family would let me sleep on their couch if I got fired or lost my home. Does the company plan to let me live in the office if they let me go? Are we still doing Thanksgiving? What about a family tree, whos going to keep that up after I die? But seriously, after seeing some nasty employee outcomes over a few jobs it kind…
I agree.
I come to make money and build cool shit. Company provides money in trade of work. That’s it. Nothing more is owed or should feel obligated by saying that family shit.
(Rewarding coworking relationships is a cool plus I’ll take though )
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#557Earlier quoted context omitted.
I disagree that this is a likely outcome. For many people, this is a worst of both worlds - still requires all the costs of living within commuting distance of your employer (particularly for SFBA and NYC) and likely shrinks the average size/perks of the office you commute to. Partial remote doesn't seem to solve any problem in a way that is any better than the status quo.
I agree. I would quit. This basically forces employees to get another room as an office. If my employers pays for it, fine. But if they don’t, it’s bs that I’ll have to continue to work from my living room because we don’t have a dedicated office space. It’s driving both me and my SO crazy because we want separate spaces to do our work but we are in a studio/open 1-bedroom.
I assume that allowing permanent WFH is different from forcing permanent WFH.
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#558I work at a FANG company. And I would gladly take a significant pay cut and work at a less prestigious company, if they offered permanent WFH. I'm only in my 30s, but the grind of sitting in an office from 9-5 everyday, feels positively revolting.
Before the pandemic started, I was counting down the days to my retirement. But now, I'm actually enjoying my work a lot more. And during my 20s, I would have been absolutely ecstatic to be able to travel the world, while still working a full-time job.
To any non-FANG company: take note. You don't have the same level of prestige, and you certainly don't offer the same level of compensation. So how do you stand out in the job market, and attract the best candidates? Giving people the option to work remotely, is your best bet of ever competing with the FANGs.
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#559Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've had a related thought: is it ethical to pay a person less based purely on where they live? I understand that there are different cost of living factors for different places, but that's on the employee's side and should be none of the employer's business. If they employer can pay $200k/yr for a remote employee, it shouldn't matter where they live, and so scaling that value seems discriminatory to me. Anyone have…
> If they employer can pay $200k/yr for a remote employee It's interesting that folks envisioning a globally uniform payscale tend to posit SF salaries in Hanoi rather than Hanoi salaries in SF.
Yeah, these guys are going to get slapped back into reality so hard if this WFH thing really takes off.
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#560WFH works when schools are also open and or your kids aren't bothering you every 10 minutes. What I would give to be back in my 20s