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Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by JauntTrooper »

smaili wrote: post #359
JauntTrooper wrote: post #251

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We moved from San Francisco to New York City after having kids mostly due to housing and public schools. We miss the city and our friends, but couldn't see ourselves there long term. New York City is expensive, but there are areas of relative affordability that feel much more accessible, comfortable, and safer than the Bay Area.

> New York City is expensive, but there are areas of relative affordability that feel much more accessible, comfortable, and safer than the Bay Area. Could you share which areas? I've been exploring NYC as well but have yet to stumble upon any areas that match what you described.

The subway and train system is really a democratizing force.

It makes places in Brooklyn, Queens, New Jersey, and Long Island accessible with a reasonable commute.

Even in Manhattan, though, the rents are similar to SF but we've found you get slightly more for it.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by JauntTrooper »

GhettoChild wrote: post #268
JauntTrooper wrote: post #251

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We moved from San Francisco to New York City after having kids mostly due to housing and public schools. We miss the city and our friends, but couldn't see ourselves there long term. New York City is expensive, but there are areas of relative affordability that feel much more accessible, comfortable, and safer than the Bay Area.

are you limited to those two cities?

Unfortunately yes so far, due to my career. We're hoping I'm allowed to transfer to a smaller city in the near future.

We're finding it tough to live in a city with two kids, and we'd prefer to live somewhere with a lower cost of living.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by atomi »

filoleg wrote: post #352
atomi wrote: post #298

I wouldn't leave California for a million dollars. To quote a famous Californian, "I'd rather be dead in California than alive in Arizona."

Good for you, I totally respect that. Which, unfortunately, isn't something I am able to say about a lot of Californian expats.

A lot of "Californians" are transplants or foreign born. Many of those are also conservative and don't mind moving to more conservative states.

Native born are typically more loyal.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by Gibbon1 »

tjr225 wrote: post #494
roenxi wrote: post #476

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There is a very pronounced trend of people migrating away from states that are controlled by Democrats for reasons that are potentially ideologically driven policy failures. This raises a a very real and material question for the new host community - do the migrants understand why the situation became so intolerable that they felt they should move? Migrants bring new ideas so a certain amount of discomfort and change…

Statistically, people are moving from rural areas and to urban areas. Rural areas tend to be conservative and economically depressed. Urban areas tend to have high paying jobs and be liberal or progressive. Aside from a few state/city couplings(Omaha, NE comes to mind) a US "State" is a poor indicator of differentiated policy or ideology. People in Atlanta or Miami or LA or Seattle have a lot more in common with each…

After the 2016 election while my friends were freaking out and moping I went and drilled down into the fine grained election results. You are absolutely right. The difference is really between 'the city' and exurban. Notable the size of 'the city' doesn't matter. In thinly populated areas the city might only be 15-20,000 people. But they all voted for liberal/progressive/left leaning candidates.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by sershe »

jedberg wrote: post #55

Every person I know who's left California did it because of housing costs (except for one, who did it to get away from "the damn liberal government that wants to take my guns"). We have a major housing cost crisis in this state, as well as a big NIMBY problem. There have been good solutions run up through the state house, that either fail to pass or get so watered down they are no longer effective, in large part beca…

I moved from SFBA (tried Mountain View, and SF in SOMA and Inner Richmond) because IMO it's not such a great place in every respect except tech jobs and maybe (compared to some places, to various degrees) weather.

The only way prices figure into the equation is the quality. It's not that I couldn't afford a house in Mountain View, it's that, jobs and prices aside, I'd need to be convinced to move to Mountain View from, say, San Antonio. And I wouldn't move there, or to SF, from Seattle or Denver if the prices were the same - based strictly on the quality of life the way I see it... On top of that, of course, the prices are not the same.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by pmiller2 »

kortilla wrote: post #384
pmiller2 wrote: post #312

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Not really. The farm valleys are very, very red, while the major cities are very, very blue. I would say CA is a very politically polarized state.

The valleys are mostly irrelevant due to their lower population.

And that’s why both chambers of the state legislature are ~20% Republican?

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by pound »

vondur wrote: post #84
sharkmerry wrote: post #74

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Crime has ticked up slightly compared to the lows, but it has comparable rates to the 60s right now. Before the explosion of crime in the 70s and 80s

Many people aren’t bothering to report crimes now. The police won’t do anything about it. You can pretty much get away will minor property crimes/theft now without any repercussions.

CA Proposition 47 made petty theft to be a misdemeanor and not a felony anymore. And in result police will spend fewer resources on something that can end up as just a citation.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by jayd16 »

refurb wrote: post #296
jayd16 wrote: post #202

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You'll spend the time and effort to move for a couple grand a year? Does that really make sense? How many years does it take to break even?

Spoken like someone who is out of touch. Yes, for a family making $85K, having an extra $3-4K in your pocket every year is a big deal .

How much does it cost to move your family from California to Texas? How many days are you not getting payed? How many weeks is your SO unemployed? How long are you paying for two rents or mortgages? It just doesn't seem like $3k is a net gain to me.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by AGuyNamedLoren »

enraged_camel wrote: post #537
toephu2 wrote: post #484

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Of course Texas has its downsides too.. the weather, the traffic (depends what city), less tech jobs to name a few?

I moved to Texas, because it actually has weather. I hated the way SoCal was always sunny, always the same weather, mostly the same temperature, and no interesting weather events. I hated how whenever it rained it made the evening news. I found that days blended into each other, weeks, blended into each other... the monotonousness made me bizarrely depressed.

I felt the same way about the weather in SoCal. Lived there for 6 years. When I look back and imagine the weather: I walk out of my apartment at 9am and bam, the sun is beaming down on me. Walk out of the office for lunch, same thing. Every single day. Every season. Same thing. So predictable. The monotonousness was indeed depressing.

I missed weather and seasons. I eventually moved to the Pacific Northwest.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by speedplane »

AGuyNamedLoren wrote: post #559
enraged_camel wrote: post #537

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I moved to Texas, because it actually has weather. I hated the way SoCal was always sunny, always the same weather, mostly the same temperature, and no interesting weather events. I hated how whenever it rained it made the evening news. I found that days blended into each other, weeks, blended into each other... the monotonousness made me bizarrely depressed.

I felt the same way about the weather in SoCal. Lived there for 6 years. When I look back and imagine the weather: I walk out of my apartment at 9am and bam, the sun is beaming down on me. Walk out of the office for lunch, same thing. Every single day. Every season. Same thing. So predictable. The monotonousness was indeed depressing. I missed weather and seasons. I eventually moved to the Pacific Northwest.

> I felt the same way about the weather in SoCal. Lived there for 6 years. ... the sun is beaming down on me. Walk out of the office for lunch, same thing. Every single day.

I moved from NYC to SoCal for 3 years. There's nothing worse than going out drinking until 4AM, waking up with a horrible hangover, and then looking outside to see a beautiful cloudless 70 degree day. I moved back to NYC and now my hangovers are greeted with freezing rain, sloppy sleet, and sub-zero temperatures. Down the Tylenol, order some Chinese food, and sit in bed: the world is at peace.

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