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Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by BrendanEich »

jamiequint wrote: post #354
BrendanEich wrote: post #221

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https://etherscan.io/token/tokenholderchart/0x0d8775f6484306... Public ledger nicely allows anyone to see what's going on. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plurality sounds fancy but you are using it wrong, on top of what it would mean if we were talking about votes being false counting tokens as votes.

See 1c "the state of being numerous" or 3a "a number greater than another" ( https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/plurality )

Yeah, but we aren't. What's your point?

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by BrendanEich »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #432
BrendanEich wrote: post #221

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https://etherscan.io/token/tokenholderchart/0x0d8775f6484306... Public ledger nicely allows anyone to see what's going on. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plurality sounds fancy but you are using it wrong, on top of what it would mean if we were talking about votes being false counting tokens as votes.

> Public ledger nicely allows anyone to see what's going on. It shows exactly what I said was going on. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plurality sounds fancy but you are using it wrong The meaning of plurality of tokens as an analogue to a plurality of votes is clear, but if not, pretend that I've spelled it out for you. Do you have any objections to the substance of my argument, or did you just come to provide evid…

You must have confused us for Binance, then.

Any fool can google `site:news.ycombinator.com brendaneich lern_to_spel` and see your posts over the years, showing ill will used to justify bogus claims. Somehow you always fade away under rational discourse. It's boring but I'm happy to have another run-around again.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by 1123581321 »

TurkishPoptart wrote: post #314
jaywalk wrote: post #303

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You can buy BAT with a credit card and participate in Brave's system without ever seeing an ad.

I don't understand, why would I spend money on something I don't want or care about?

You are spending money on the creators of content you read, which theoretically you care about (not getting that vibe though.). It’s like supporting someone on Patreon but it’s a different take on direct support.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by fastball »

fuu_dev wrote: post #252
fastball wrote: post #211

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#1 Their ad-blocker is also a tracking blocker and a pretty strict one at that. They also spend a lot of time optimizing the performance[0] of this ad-blocking. This improves the browsing experience. #2 Brave Ads are opt-in. You can alternatively fund the sites you visit on the web by putting BAT into your wallet directly and having the browser automatically distribute funds based on which content you spend time on p…

ad 2: Brave takes a 30% cut of the add income. The adds you block are targeted adds, thus they yield a higher income. Besides that there are usually service fees for converting your BAT to other currencies. The entire service is opt in making it also not guaranteed for the content creator to receive the reward. This should lead even in the best case to a notably worse outcome. ad 3: https://outline.com/fJm5C3 ad 4: i…

The current case is content creators not receiving any reward because people are using ad-blockers. I don't see how that can possible be "best case" a "notably worse outcome". Worse case, content creators get some pittance where before they were getting nothing. Best case content creators can be entirely directly funded by the people actually consuming their content.

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Post by paul7986 »

BrendanEich wrote: post #550
paul7986 wrote: post #524

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Is Google the default search engine for Brave?

In most regions where users would bounce off a different default and manually override it to Google (thus denying us an ethical defaulting opportunity), yes. Mozilla found out the hard way in 2014 December when they reset default from Google to Yahoo! in the USA, and most Firefox users Whisky Tango Foxtrotted back to manual Google setting. (Verizon and Mozilla bailed on that deal and Mozilla is back with Google.) The…

That's really cool to hear your defaulting (in some countries) to something other then Google and DDG even better! Just downloaded Brave.

Thanks for Firefox! It along with Google at the time (2003) inspired me to try my hand at being a maker.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by alwillis »

PKop wrote: post #545
alwillis wrote: post #541

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As I mentioned further up in the thread ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21532097 ), BAT is an ERC-20 token and can be easily converted to a stablecoin, which is pegged to $1 USD per token. So if you can avoid that if you want to.

I'm aware of so-called stable coins. The risk with them is you must trust they have the backing & will make good on your claim. Now, since Brave is a company dealing with customers and content creators who actually have to get paid by them, they already must be trusted...so I do think this would have a been a better way to go. I understand that crypto can be converted "easily". But how does that square with storing B…

The short answer: for many Brave and BAT users are just going to do the standard thing of using the BAT they earn to support content creators. These folks aren’t concerned with volatility.

Users who are interested in building a business in the BAT ecosystem requires a different use case.

Now, if the BAT ecosystem takes off and it becomes possible to build a business using BAT, there will be all kinds of services to help content creators deal with the gobs of BAT they may collect.

Uphold, who is Brave’s partner that provides wallet services already has a bunch of useful services if someone has a non-trivial amount of BAT: https://uphold.com/

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Post by fastball »

fuu_dev wrote: post #241
siegecraft wrote: post #215

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Re: criticism 1, this is mostly true. However the fact that it's "not google" adds some privacy, or at least diffuses vulnerabilities. Regarding criticism 2, you have to opt-in. Otherwise brave is just a browser with adblocking capabilities built-in. I don't understand criticism 3, but then again I have just been using Brave without opting-in to the BAT portion so I'm out of the loop on that. Regarding 4, why would P…

Paypal is the most popular billing service that is present everywhere. By not using Paypal you essentially create extra steps for the end user. This goes 2 ways, you need to purchase BAT if you want to use their reward system. This was partly an big issues as even tech savvy streamers on YouTube had issues getting the currency. This makes the end user less likely to use this feature at all.

Source on tech savvy streamers being unable to deal with BAT? The process is pretty straightforward. If you're fine with centralized services you can:

1. Send your BAT to Coinbase or similar (a couple clicks)

2. Sell BAT to Coinbase in major currencies

If you prefer an approach that requires no centralized middleman, you can:

1. Convert BAT to ETH on a Decentralized Exchange (DEX)[0]

2. Sell ETH on something like LocalEthereum[1] to get your local currency.

You could also:

1. Convert your BAT to DAI (stablecoin pegged to USD) on a DEX

2. Put up the DAI for loans on a decentralized lending platform like Compound[2], where you can currently earn 5.22% interest on your DAI loan.

Yes, admittedly this is a more intensive than existing solutions, and things require multiple steps and some setup to get working. But it's really not that difficult once you get started, and the friction is getting less and less every day. If and when the Ethereum team can actually release Eth2.0 with scaling and other such stuff, you will be paying actually negligible fees on such transactions.

[0] https://dex.ag/ [1] https://localethereum.com/ [2] https://app.compound.finance/

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Post by hinkley »

tuesdayrain wrote: post #481
brokensegue wrote: post #417

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> Politics, Religion, and Blockchain but you repeat yourself?

I'm constantly shocked by how any mention of blockchains is enough make masses of HNers look like absolute luddites. It's just another datastructure that happens to have an above-average level of hype surrounding it.

Hi, I maintained code with a Merkle tree before Satoshi picked his pen name. I’m just not impressed by the consensus algorithm. It’s not that I’m a Luddite, it’s that I understand some things about it that others don’t and will be tricked by.

In short, I see you all as a little nefarious, with a heap of woo to rival some other boondoggles we’ve recently gotten over.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by hinkley »

brokensegue wrote: post #498
tuesdayrain wrote: post #481

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I'm constantly shocked by how any mention of blockchains is enough make masses of HNers look like absolute luddites. It's just another datastructure that happens to have an above-average level of hype surrounding it.

Blockchain is not just a data structure. It has an associated political philosophy (ancap) and get rich quick schemes (ICOs/currencies). When NoSQL was big a decade ago nobody thought it would upend society or make everyone millionaires.

It’s also one of the dumbest consensus protocols in use. It’s a compromise to get what they wanted out of blockchain but nobody will admit it. Which makes me wonder about the rest of their claims. It’s intellectually dishonest and money is involved. No thank you.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by hinkley »

BrendanEich wrote: post #315
hinkley wrote: post #160

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You had me... > Brave ads show up as a notification in your operating system outside of the page. and then you lost me. Hitting people with notifications is an escalation of ad hostility, not a reduction.

Try it first -- it is optional. We're working on other channels than OS notifications, but so far the people who have opted in are happy enough (14% CTR).

There are things you don’t have to try to know you don’t want it. Like poop, for instance.

I already have an uncomfortable detente with notifications on my devices. Upsetting that delicate balance is so obviously a bad idea that I don’t need to try it to tell you “no, not even a little”

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