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We Need to Dream Bigger Than Bike Lanes

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Re: We Need to Dream Bigger Than Bike Lanes

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Make several separate but interconnected transportation networks. Peds; Bikes; Light EVs (scooters, kick and seated, small cargo movers, narrow (1 seater) cars); Buses & Cargo Trucks; Trains; Take advantage of grade (slope). Roads should have short ups followed by long downs (in both directions, it's possible) to let people take advantage of gravity. I once saw a fascinating pamphlet advocating for graded runways: pl…

>I once saw a fascinating pamphlet advocating for graded runways: planes taking off head downhill, landing, uphill. The idea was that you would save a ton of fuel. It doesn't work, unless you build double the number of runways, at huge expense, because you'd have to have runways going both uphill and downhill in the same direction. Runways in real airports go both directions, not just one. They change direction depen…

Build a mound and put the airport on top with the runways radiating?

I'm certainly not knowledgeable enough to argue the point.

Re: We Need to Dream Bigger Than Bike Lanes

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Electric bikes are not motorcycles. However, you're right that they're different from non-motorized bikes. And I agree with you that they can cause issues. I got a eBike (Bionix brand, it's been great!) when I was commuting across town and got sick of riding the bus (these days there's always somebody watching TV on their phone without headphones. It was just a matter of time until I lost it and slapped one out of so…

If you Google image search for "early motorcycle" most things will look a lot like an ordinary bicycles. Some versions of the 1903 Peugeot, for instance, had pedals on a crank, and even those that didn't were pretty slender: https://cybermotorcycle.com/gallery/peugeot-1903/Peugeot-190... The fact that your bicycle has an electric motor and remains somewhat slim doesn't change this fact.

I upvoted you for technical correctness, but I'm still convinced that, as rhetoric, your point fails.

Calling an eBike a motorcycle in 2019 is over-exaggeration, IMO, FWIW.

But, again, I do agree with you that powered bikes are not the same as human-power-only bikes.

Re: We Need to Dream Bigger Than Bike Lanes

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post #479

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>I once saw a fascinating pamphlet advocating for graded runways: planes taking off head downhill, landing, uphill. The idea was that you would save a ton of fuel. It doesn't work, unless you build double the number of runways, at huge expense, because you'd have to have runways going both uphill and downhill in the same direction. Runways in real airports go both directions, not just one. They change direction depen…

Build a mound and put the airport on top with the runways radiating? I'm certainly not knowledgeable enough to argue the point.

Ok, but now you have an airport that takes 2-4 times as much space as normal ones. Airports already consume an incredible amount of space; most places don't have that much space to spare.

This reminds me of someone's crazy proposal not too long ago (I think it showed up on this site) to make an airport with a big circular runway around it, with the idea that planes could be continuously taking off and landing. It didn't take long for some pilots to chime and and call the whole idea utterly insane and stupid because it's incredibly dangerous to take off or land while turning.

Re: We Need to Dream Bigger Than Bike Lanes

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>From that same source, roughly 1% of all head injuries admitted into hospitals are from cycling, and 60% are alcohol related. This stat means absolutely nothing. It's coming from a place where not that many people cycle, the summary even says that cycling experienced a decline, so of course there's not going to be that many injuries from cycling when very few people are doing it. By contrast, British people drink a…

I have to carry around a helmet- yes I find this burdensome. Real estate is hard to come by in NYC- and my commute requires a partial subway commute. When I rode a motorcycle to my job and had a cube I was annoyed by the MC helmet, but felt the risk tradeoff was worth it and could at least tuck it away. Now I am subject to the hideous open office trend, it would be a PITA. Its not the weight, its the volume, and the…

>I have to carry around a helmet- yes I find this burdensome.

Unfortunately, I don't have the luxury of biking to work yet, but if I did, I'd be using a backpack for what I hope are obvious reasons. Any good backpack these days designed for cycling has a clip on it that attaches to your helmet so you don't have to carry it around. I even did this years ago in college when I biked to class; it wasn't a burden at all.

>And you accept that wearing gloves is ok, but you don't wear a jacket- so you know you may fall, and possibly scrape along the ground a bit, but you don't wear a jacket that most motorcyclists consider to be basic standard gear.

Jackets are incredibly hot. Bicycles don't go fast enough to mitigate this. Some skin scrapes are preferable to getting heatstroke.

>but my years of riding have given me intuition (in other words, my developed common sense) that the head is highly unlikely to be injured

The problem is, if your head is injured, it's either game-over or you suffer mental problems for the rest of your life. Other bodily injuries you can usually heal from. A broken leg? It sucks, but it heals. Skin scrapes? Not a big deal usually (not at bicycling speeds). Worst case you get a skin graft but that's not normal for cycling. But a concussion can leave permanent damage; the brain doesn't heal the way the rest of your body does. To make a computer analogy, I feel like you're talking about the relative risks to various computer parts, and equating potential damage to your laptop's screen to its hard drive. The screen isn't important, nor is the rest of the laptop: you can replace them at any time. But the hard drive is unreplaceable (going back to the last backup, which unfortunately we don't have for brains yet): if anything happens to the hard drive at all, you lose all your data and all your work, and you can't replace that.

Re: We Need to Dream Bigger Than Bike Lanes

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I lived in Palo Alto, CA, (heart of Silicon Valley) and commuted by bike to work. (I even took my bike on the train for a few weeks.) Once I met my wife, we were able to bike to each other's homes and also bike to work. It was great! Then we moved in together, and because she had a dog, Palo Alto became prohibitively expensive, and we had to move a few miles away. I only used my bike three times after that. Even wors…

> but the nature of a large world is that a car lets you drive 20 miles from point A to point B in a manner that's prohibitive by foot, bike, or train. Not prohibitive to do by electric bike though.

Again, unrealistic attitudes like that are why I laugh at the article.

You can't do 20 miles in an electric bike in the rain, or in the cold. It's just absurd.

Re: We Need to Dream Bigger Than Bike Lanes

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post #553

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Build a mound and put the airport on top with the runways radiating? I'm certainly not knowledgeable enough to argue the point.

Ok, but now you have an airport that takes 2-4 times as much space as normal ones. Airports already consume an incredible amount of space; most places don't have that much space to spare. This reminds me of someone's crazy proposal not too long ago (I think it showed up on this site) to make an airport with a big circular runway around it, with the idea that planes could be continuously taking off and landing. It did…

Fair enough. It was just a pamphlet I found on the ground in Boulder CO one day.

Circular runway made me LOL. Cheers!

Re: We Need to Dream Bigger Than Bike Lanes

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Why would you drive into the medieval centre of a city to do a large supermarket shop if you can drive to an out-of-town one already? Studies show that - particularly in Europe - most people are already walking to these shops everywhere. The 'weekly shop' is not really a thing that inner-city dwellers tend to do that often - they either rely on deliveries (cheap and efficient due to density) or smaller shops througho…

> The 'weekly shop' is not really a thing that inner-city dwellers tend to do that often Something I wish the holier than though types thought of when they banned plastic bags here. No I can't just keep my reusable bags in the back of my SUV so I have them when I go shopping.

Do you not usually carry a rucksack or shoulder bag? If you're having to use a new plastic bag every time it seems like it might benefit you to get one - they're much more comfortable to use too.

Re: We Need to Dream Bigger Than Bike Lanes

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Firstly, I am not making sweeping claims. I am making a very narrow, specific common sense claim. I have not seen a single paper that refutes the safety benefits of a rider wearing a helmet. Helmets reduce brain injuries. Does this need a citation? Secondly, there are a lot more than two factors at play to make the "cyclists killed per billion of km of bicycle travel" number. Culturally bikes need to be accepted. I d…

I don't have a lot of faith in common sense, no matter whose it is. Especially when dealing with large numbers, large populations, diverse human behavior, common sense is rarely common and frequently wrong. So yes, a citation is needed. > I don't see how helmets preclude cultural adoption. Case in point. It seems completely common sense to me that helmets are a massive barrier to widespread adoption! Leaving aside th…

>1) sitting on the seat is awkward/uncomfortable when wearing a skirt or dress

Try watching a video of people in Copenhagen riding bikes. Women wear dresses and skirts there all the time while cycling. Same goes in Japan; women commonly wear dresses/skirts there and ride bikes.

Re: We Need to Dream Bigger Than Bike Lanes

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Electric bikes are not motorcycles. However, you're right that they're different from non-motorized bikes. And I agree with you that they can cause issues. I got a eBike (Bionix brand, it's been great!) when I was commuting across town and got sick of riding the bus (these days there's always somebody watching TV on their phone without headphones. It was just a matter of time until I lost it and slapped one out of so…

If you Google image search for "early motorcycle" most things will look a lot like an ordinary bicycles. Some versions of the 1903 Peugeot, for instance, had pedals on a crank, and even those that didn't were pretty slender: https://cybermotorcycle.com/gallery/peugeot-1903/Peugeot-190... The fact that your bicycle has an electric motor and remains somewhat slim doesn't change this fact.

This is a silly argument. Do a Google image search for "cars in the 1800s" or something like that, and you're going to see "cars" that have tillers instead of steering wheels, and resemble horse carriages much more than modern cars. This doesn't mean horse carriages or motorized carts or golf carts qualify as "cars" in 2019.

Re: We Need to Dream Bigger Than Bike Lanes

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post #193

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I regularly ride my "normal" bicycle (including 2 little kids in a trailer) in the rain in Berlin (where it rains for 167 days per year on average, which is ~45% of the year). You just need the appropriate clothes & gear.

where it rains for 167 days per year on average, which is ~45% of the year Well, neighbouring country in which it rained on 199 days on average in the past 20 years or so, but since it doesn't rain all 24hrs of those days, a more interesting figure would be that it apparently only rains about 10% of the time here. Meaning about 90% of the whole time there is no rain.

my point was that rain is not unusual here.
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