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Re: A uBlock Origin update was rejected from the Chrome Web Store

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Post by segmondy »

torben-friis wrote: post #18

I wonder if it's been on purpose or just, as always, their automatic algorithms being imposible to contest when they're wrong. Honestly, Google's (and general tech giants') willingness to let people's lives be caught in the cracks of their algorithms in their pursue for scalability scares me more than any ideology they could push. More and more, we're seeing developers and content creators being banned or demonetised…

On purpose.

When I search for "firebase vs ..." I don't get parse server, I get nonsensical rubbish that folks won't compare with firebase. like mongodb, heroku, google analytics, amplify. But if I search for "parse server v". the first suggestion is firebase. Google is pure evil, you just have to open your eyes to see all their dirty tricks.

Re: A uBlock Origin update was rejected from the Chrome Web Store

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Post by roca »

peterangular wrote: post #240
jokoon wrote: post #43

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what was painful?

Even simple stuff like finding text on a page... I use the highlighting of occurrences in the scrollbar WAY more than I ever realized. The breaking point for me to go back to Chrome a few months back was Mapbox was chewing up SO MUCH MORE resources in FF. As someone who does a lot of GIS dev in Mapbox that was a no-go =/

Report the Mapbox issue to Mozilla.

Re: A uBlock Origin update was rejected from the Chrome Web Store

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Post by TimTheTinker »

Darvon wrote: post #253
TimTheTinker wrote: post #206

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I’m really surprised no one is mentioning the new chromium-based MS Edge (still in Beta). They removed all the Google tracking and login nonsense, and it’s fast . Edge Beta on macOS has been my daily driver (and dev browser) for a month (switched to it from Firefox, actually), and my only gripe is the extension story isn’t yet complete. The MS store only has a few extensions, and you have to jump through a couple of…

You're surprised geeks are talking about open source over microsoft?

To be fair, that’s a bit of a false dichotomy when it comes to the new MS Edge (or any other modern browser, for that matter). It’s open source as well.

Re: A uBlock Origin update was rejected from the Chrome Web Store

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Post by roca »

foresto wrote: post #405
kvark wrote: post #334

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Arguing and downvoting is just how people and internet work. This has nothing to do with Mozilla culture. Rest assured the engineers of Mozilla are doing their best to make the product superior, independent of the principles difference.

> Mozilla are doing their best to make the product superior, independent of the principles difference. Last time I remember trying to discuss an issue in Firefox was when they dropped ALSA support and started requiring PluseAudio for sound. When people complained, a manager silenced everyone by locking the bug report. This was not surprising, as other problem reports in recent years have been met with similarly obsti…

For issues like ALSA/Pulse, at some point all the arguments have been heard and there is no point in letting people continue to spam Bugzilla with the same arguments repeated. At that point it makes sense to lock the bug report.

Re: A uBlock Origin update was rejected from the Chrome Web Store

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Post by somehnguy »

feanaro wrote: post #388
somehnguy wrote: post #281

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I think this is missing the point. Assigning blame doesn't really matter - one works for his use case and one doesn't. When you're trying to get work done the path of least resistance is more preferable than using software that performs poorly because of your ideals. But to answer your question: If they are based on the same code, yes. I don't see why you wouldn't.

But they fundamentally cannot be based on the same code if you go deep enough. The system calls / API are different, so the implementations have to diverge at some point.

No kidding. That still points the finger at the OS though.

Re: A uBlock Origin update was rejected from the Chrome Web Store

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Post by roca »

mwcampbell wrote: post #451
radicalbyte wrote: post #6

It's time to switch to Firefox as my main web browser. It's faster and generally more efficient than Chrome plus it has the most important extensions. The most surprising thing is that the Android version of Firefox is excellent. So good that I switched from Chrome a few months ago when this expected news first dropped. No ads on mobile is awesome.

I like Mozilla's principles in theory, but this warning from the user guide for GrapheneOS [1] (successor to CopperheadOS) is alarming, and applies to more than just Android: > Avoid Gecko-based browsers like Firefox as they're currently much more vulnerable to exploitation and inherently add a huge amount of attack surface. Gecko doesn't have a WebView implementation (GeckoView is not a WebView implementation), so i…

The Linux desktop Firefox sandbox is pretty strong AFAICT. All the usual namespace protection, pretty good seccomp filter. I wonder what the issue they're referring to is and whether that comment is up to date (the sandbox has improved a lot over the last few years).

The WebView argument is basically an argument for monoculture: you should only have one browser engine installed because that's less attack surface than two, and since Chromium must be installed for reasons, it must be Chromium. That's actually kind of a weak argument since it's not that common for users to load a specific attack in both browser engines.

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Post by catalogia »

mav3rick wrote: post #548
catalogia wrote: post #483

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This is the same company that operates the android 'Play Store', host to half a million spyware "flashlight" apps. I find it hard to take their expressed concern for my security seriously.

Right, if they don't try you blame them, if they do try you blame them. You clearly have a grudge to bury.

I would never hold it against Google if they purged malware from Play Store. Particularly since android makes it easy for alternative appstores to exist, most notably the superb F-Droid, which mitigates some of the risk of Google getting it wrong.

When alternative sources are not readily available, the calculus changes. When the platform is a walled garden, the matter of banning the wrong script/app becomes more serious. Apple's appstore, Mozilla's firefox extension platform and Google's chrome extension platform fall into this category. Because they make it difficult to install apps/extensions from other sources, they have a moral responsibility to perform to be more careful with what they ban.

(Also, I do not accept the premise that Google is actually trying in a meaningful way.)

Re: A uBlock Origin update was rejected from the Chrome Web Store

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Post by zaroth »

Judgmentality wrote: post #476
zaroth wrote: post #410

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The top ranked comment on the page is a call to switch to Firefox . Google clearly does not have a monopoly on browsers, and we should let the market decide which extensions policy is preferred. Now, whether Google is abusing its monopoly on Search to prop up its Chrome install numbers is a different matter.

> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers Chrome has 2/3 of the browser market and growing. At what point does it become a monopoly? Also don't forget the vast majority of Firefox's revenue is a royalty from Google. https://fourweekmba.com/how-does-mozilla-make-money/

It becomes a monopoly when the supply of browsers is controlled by a single entity and the entry of new market participants is prevented or highly restricted.

Having a large market share does not make you a monopoly if you do not control the supply and restrict or prevent new market participants.

Since a browser is a piece of software you can install with a couple clicks in a couple minutes, and anyone who wants to can make one, even mostly based on the same code as Chrome in fact - I fail to see how Chrome can be considered a monopoly. Even if it had 90% market share.

Chrome got where it is by computer savvy users telling everyone who would listen to just install Chrome and going to every computer they helped keep running and installing Chrome on it. The exact same thing could happen for Firefox over the next 5 years if the winds really start blowing in that direction.

Re: A uBlock Origin update was rejected from the Chrome Web Store

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Post by vxNsr »

torben-friis wrote: post #18

I wonder if it's been on purpose or just, as always, their automatic algorithms being imposible to contest when they're wrong. Honestly, Google's (and general tech giants') willingness to let people's lives be caught in the cracks of their algorithms in their pursue for scalability scares me more than any ideology they could push. More and more, we're seeing developers and content creators being banned or demonetised…

With google I always assume malice unless they can prove without a shadow of a doubt that it was truly unintentional.

Re: A uBlock Origin update was rejected from the Chrome Web Store

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Post by wayneftw »

BuckRogers wrote: post #474
ripdog wrote: post #472

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Or you could cease contributing to the Blink monopoly on the web and join us of Firefox. Microsoft is no longer challenging Google in this space.

You could, unless you're like me and having never been on Blink. I've been using Firefox for almost 20 years straight, since it was Phoenix. Edge is my backup/secondary browser and it's great. If you want the benefits of Chrome without Google, Microsoft is the final boss that can't and won't be pushed around by Google.

I love how, despite even kowtowing to the pro-Mozilla brigade here with assurances that you’ve long been a faithful user of their product, the fact that you said anything good about MS Edge still caused your text to get disappeared. They must feel threatened by it.

The second MS Edge is on Ubuntu or Arch, I’m installing it! And I’m absolutely certain that if MS keeps adblocking facilities in place while Chrome drops them, they’ll gain a ton more users like me.

Maybe soon, Google will be paying Microsoft to make Google the default search engine! Funny thought, but I doubt it...

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