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Re: Microsoft has removed the “use offline account” option when installing Windows

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Post by ineedasername »

Kuinox wrote: post #491
mastazi wrote: post #63

This is incredibly bad. In general I have a positive opinion about what MS is doing lately, but Windows is a glaring exception, it’s getting worse and worse at an alarming rate. In the last two months we had two consecutive updates that broke basic functionality for users who disabled web results in Windows Search (which is a very common setting among those who care about privacy) https://www.zdnet.com/article/window…

They didn't removed it. The title is misleading, The button is still there, but they renamed the button. It's under "Domain Join Instead" https://i.imgur.com/tA9fo1R.png And there you can create an offline account: https://i.imgur.com/eBLi5cv.png

Do you actually need to be running a domain controller? Or is it local?

Re: Microsoft has removed the “use offline account” option when installing Windows

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Post by MisterTea »

I'm sitting typing this on an my Windows 7 PC I built in 2011. Used to game a bit but that declined so the quad core and 16GB in this thing have been more than enough for my needs. It keeps running and I keep it patched.

I've been holding off upgrading to Windows 10 as I wanted to see how Microsoft would handle the cloud/cortana/ad/telemetry nonsense. I'm glad I waited; It'll never run on my home machines. My Linux box is seeing more and more use and my laptop is now running Alpine Linux.

My only gripe is I work in industrial automation, a field who unfortunately embraced Windows as a platform to build their tools on. This is a huge ball and chain that I'd rather not drag around anymore. So I'm still stuck giving my money to these schmucks.

Sigh. Go away Microsoft. Just leave us alone and stop chaining us down with your bullshit. It's been 20+ years of whining about stupid draconian Ms bullshit. I'm so fucking tired of this.

Re: Microsoft has removed the “use offline account” option when installing Windows

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Post by SquishyPanda23 »

mastazi wrote: post #63

This is incredibly bad. In general I have a positive opinion about what MS is doing lately, but Windows is a glaring exception, it’s getting worse and worse at an alarming rate. In the last two months we had two consecutive updates that broke basic functionality for users who disabled web results in Windows Search (which is a very common setting among those who care about privacy) https://www.zdnet.com/article/window…

> I pay for the service so I don’t want to be the product.

I think this is worth thinking about for a bit. The trope is that if you're not paying then you're the product.

But it doesn't follow that if you are paying you are not the product. That depends entirely on business decisions that customers have little visibility into.

For any product you pay for, there may eventually be a decision to extract additional revenue streams by monetizing your data or attention.

The fact that this happened with cable TV and advertising before the era of the internet indicates that this is far from a new pattern. I expect to see it a lot in the next few years.

Re: Microsoft has removed the “use offline account” option when installing Windows

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Post by [deleted] »

angry_octet wrote: post #380
chank wrote: post #165

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They do. I work in a very large corp. 25k+ employees, 5bn+ net revenue per year. Our entire IT dept. is outsourced, we're on office365, rent all of our hardware which is refreshed at regular intervals as part of the deal. Everything developed native cloud, all our offices are rented. We basically do everything we can to reduce capital expenditures.

It's funny that entire IT architectures have evolved just to optimize tax reduction and stock market interaction because of rules about opex and capex. I wonder though whether this optimization hasn't created a brittleness in operations, where shocks due to security lapses or outsourced provider probls become unrecoverable.

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Re: Microsoft has removed the “use offline account” option when installing Windows

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Post by yellow_postit »

gurkendoktor wrote: post #514
navigatesol wrote: post #481

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> But should we realize in a couple years that this was overhyped and desktop OS and apps won't go away, everyone will have migrated to OSX or Linux if Windows quality continues to decline at that rate. Windows still claims nearly 80% of desktop market share, while OS X has less than 15%. Linux is around 2%. Assuming people in any significant number care about having to use an online account is naive. Apple requires…

> Assuming people in any significant number care about having to use an online account is naive. Apple requires it. macOS does not require a cloud account. Technically you don't even need one for iOS, but most people will create an Apple ID for the App Store (and I hope this distribution monopoly on iOS will eventually be broken up).

MacOS also prompts incessantly trying to get you to create and/or link a cloud account.

Neither Mac or Windows really requires an account but they make it an inconvenient path.

Re: Microsoft has removed the “use offline account” option when installing Windows

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Post by proc0 »

mastazi wrote: post #63

This is incredibly bad. In general I have a positive opinion about what MS is doing lately, but Windows is a glaring exception, it’s getting worse and worse at an alarming rate. In the last two months we had two consecutive updates that broke basic functionality for users who disabled web results in Windows Search (which is a very common setting among those who care about privacy) https://www.zdnet.com/article/window…

Games is literally the only reason keeping me installing Windows. Hoping this changes with some viable alternative.

Re: Microsoft has removed the “use offline account” option when installing Windows

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Post by andreygrehov »

missosoup wrote: post #482
klingonopera wrote: post #101

As someone who uses Windows for industrial PCs, I'm pretty appalled. We've been hanging on to Windows 7, including side-loading drivers into the installation image for modern hardware, because this kind of stuff that Windows 10 does is in these cases simply unacceptable (random tip: Go for AMD, their Windows 7 support is way better than Intel, do not use Intel chipset series 300). I can't have PCs bogged down downloa…

Windows 10 is an absolute clusterfuck in video walls/advertising screens/embedded or anything of the sort. Watch windows 10 try to force an update during a live streamed esports match https://clips.twitch.tv/BadPlumpStarLitFam

This one is not as great as a mandatory restart during the 3D model rendering process - https://twitter.com/fillbeforeshill/status/10753514204073328...

Re: Microsoft has removed the “use offline account” option when installing Windows

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Post by qwerty456127 »

I wasn't offered the “use offline account” option when I was installing Windows 10 home edition but I've then restarted the installation with the Internet wire detached and it was there.

If there is no way to use an offline account any more I'm certainly not installing. Bye, Windows, it has been amazing 25-yr-long adventure I've enyoyed, thank you and bye.

Re: Microsoft has removed the “use offline account” option when installing Windows

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

yyyk wrote: post #474
viraptor wrote: post #216

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Latest excel has gold level support: https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iI... I know there are plenty of things that don't work with wine, but realistically, how many of them does each person need to work, and how many are "defaults"? For example if you spend 90% of your time in illustrator, do you need excel specifically, or "an app with text in cells"? And if you're crunching market data in e…

If I had a penny for every time a 'Gold level' supported program simply failed to work properly or required some nearly undocumented workaround* , I'd be rich. * No, I don't consider having to search bugzilla 'documentation'. Edit: Note that I'm talking about Wine here. When wine is wrapped by people who know what they're doing it works well - Crossweavers/Proton etc. - for the specific subset of programs they're tun…

Right? Don't get me wrong, that Wine works at all is pretty damned incredible, but anyone who thinks of it as a drop in Windows replacement is going to be severely disappointed.

Re: Microsoft has removed the “use offline account” option when installing Windows

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Post by Kuinox »

ineedasername wrote: post #551
Kuinox wrote: post #491

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They didn't removed it. The title is misleading, The button is still there, but they renamed the button. It's under "Domain Join Instead" https://i.imgur.com/tA9fo1R.png And there you can create an offline account: https://i.imgur.com/eBLi5cv.png

Do you actually need to be running a domain controller? Or is it local?

You don't need anything. The "use offline account" got renamed this way.
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