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Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by moduspol »

herewego wrote: post #548
moduspol wrote: post #544

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I've had a Model 3 for about a year, and it is absolutely not the case. You are ludicrously misinformed, but don't let that stop you from commenting.

I’m not sure why you’re getting upset. I have owned a Model S for 3yrs, I have close friends with Model 3’s that I have driven on a regular basis, and this is a reality that we all agree on. I am most definitely not misinformed. Nearly every setting is controlled on the touchscreen interface. I’m not sure why you would claim that is not the case.

Nearly every setting you'd use while driving is also on the steering wheel.

Your claim was this:

> You can not drive a Tesla without using the touchscreen on an almost constant basis.

This is patently false, but I can't prove a negative. I drive the car every day without touching the screen, let alone on any constant basis, but I guess maybe you know better.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by londons_explore »

FireBeyond wrote: post #278
londons_explore wrote: post #240

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Cloudflare is 100% free for this kind of thing. No need for a company to ever consider distribution costs again.

Cloudflare is certainly not free for distributing multi-gigabyte binary blobs. Their free bailiwick is "website content". You might fly under the radar at small scale, but any corporation is not going to get to use CF for free to handle that kind of distribution.

> Cloudflare is certainly not free for distributing multi-gigabyte binary blobs.

Citation needed. I've been using it for distributing all kinds of things like that and never paid them a penny... Just make sure you split it to 512MB chunks, which isn't hard for a software updater.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by nguoi »

NullPrefix wrote: post #541
nguoi wrote: post #496

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Handling doesn't matter in city commuting. People also seem happy to buy SUVs and crossovers which have much higher centres of mass than hatchbacks.

Handling of a SUV, usefulness of a hatchback. It's like the worst of both worlds.

>usefulness of a hatchback

i.e. very? They've sold millions of them, that's not for the track performance.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by igrekel »

xedeon wrote: post #304
FireBeyond wrote: post #269

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Current cars that have lane centering and steering at all speeds: * All Acura models * All Audi models * BMW 5/6/7/X3/X4 * Cadillac CT6 * Ford Edge * All Honda models (mostly at higher speed) * ... and so on. Source: https://www.cars.com/articles/which-cars-have-self-driving-f... This notion, particularly among Tesla owners, that active lane centering and steering is a Tesla exclusive, is at times wilfully blindered,…

> This notion, particularly among Tesla owners, that active lane centering and steering is a Tesla exclusive, is at times wilfully blindered, to the obnoxious. Autopilot is more than just "active lane centering and steering" (known as LKAS) Autopilot is a combination of a lot of things (TACC + Autosteer + Auto Lane Change + Auto Lane Keep + NOA etc...) Autosteer is also way ahead of everything else out there right no…

as far as I know, when I got my M3, auto lane change was not part of autopilot but has been moved to the full self driving package.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by igrekel »

CalChris wrote: post #275
xvector wrote: post #259

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AP is not capable of identifying speed limit signs. At least, modern AP cannot. To identify speed limits, Tesla AP pulls map information, which is often inaccurate outside cities.

Do you own a Tesla? AP1 vs AP2 vs AP2.5 in the Tesla refers to image processing hardware and software. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Autopilot#Hardware_1 The AP1 includes forward looking radar by Bosch, ultrasonic detectors and a forward facing Mobileye EyeQ3 camera at the rear view mirror mount. That camera does many things including rain detection. It also detects speed limit signs. https://www.mobileye.com/u…

Well I got mine this summer, I didn't get the full self driving package and my car certainly doesn't see speed limit signs its very obvious they come from map data. It actually makes using AP in town a bit useless because they changed a lot of at the limits but somehow the map data is not up to date.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by jmpman »

radium3d wrote: post #403
propogandist wrote: post #397

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Having to fiddle with a touch screen to manage windshield wipers is unnecessary.

The wipers wipe automatically when the camera detects rain on the windshield. If you want to do a window clean you just push the button on the end of the blinker handle on the left of the steering wheel. It's one of the few physical buttons of the 3.

They also automatically turn on in the car wash.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by kpmcc »

kerkeslager wrote: post #355

I want a well-put-together electric car that's completely analog from the user's perspective . There's not a single user-facing digital feature I've ever seen on a car that I wanted, and in fact most of them make things worse. Obviously there's some non-user-facing stuff, i.e. all-wheel-drive, which computerization has revolutionized. But any user-facing stuff is just awful. I want an electric car, but I don't want t…

Completely agree. I want old school dials with needles on a regular dash and zero screens anywhere in my car. I just want the propulsion of the car to be decoupled from burning fossil fuels. All the other dumb tech can go.

The fact that part of this update puts Netflix and Hulu in a car is one of the dumbest things I’ve heard.

Car companies figured out instrumentation a while ago, it’s not something that needed to be ‘disrupted’.

Most of the dumb stuff seems to come from designing a car that isn’t meant to be driven. @ Folks who don't want to drive your cars, the solution exists, it’s called public transit, and the reason it sucks is because of cars.

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Post by vageli »

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #298
vageli wrote: post #222

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> If we are going to be pedantic about this, and you pretty much have to be given the topic, a parking violation is not considered a traffic violation. Obviously a private parking lot isn't some completely lawless place, but many (most?) traffic laws don't apply there. So you can drive like 50 mph or do donuts, violate crosswalks with pedestrians in them, etc? Does your jurisdiction have no laws on reckless driving,…

>Hell, I know people who have received seat belt tickets while operating a motor vehicle in a parking lot. The cops can cite you for anything anywhere anytime. It's on you to call them out for bullshit.

Can you legally operate a motor vehicle while drunk on private property? People have gotten DUIs for being drunk and asleep with the car in their driveways.

I don't think it has to do with calling out bullshit. Though likely some laws are about operating a motor vehicle in general and others are around operation in a roadway.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

mlindner wrote: post #498
cwkoss wrote: post #390

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Yes. Because if there aren't any undercarriage sensors this will eventually lead to deaths.

And what prevents you from climbing into your car and doing the same thing? Do you check under your car every time before you drive off? I know I certainly don't and never have.

You might notice legs sticking out from under the car, and your getting in is going to cause a fair bit of alerting noise - doors opening and closing, you moving around. Without even a motor to start, the Tesla will just start moving.
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