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California Approves Statewide Rent Control

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There is no functioning market to begin with. Housing prices and rent are through the roof in California, yet supply is not rising to meet demand, largely because existing owners oppose new construction. Turnabout is fair play. If owners organize politically to control supply, tenants can organize politically to control prices.

> Turnabout is fair play. If owners organize politically to control supply...

It's frequently renters talking about gentrification that oppose new housing around me.

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We cannot, landlords are a parasite on productivity whose existence is based on the theft from their tenants. If it was not profitable they would not do it, if it is profitable, it is inherently unethical.

Radically untrue, bordering on nonsense. Investment requires a return on investment. Return on investment must be commensurate with the risk. Risk adjusted returns are the reason the house/apartment was built in the first place.

The house was built because there was someone to live in it.

Re: California Approves Statewide Rent Control

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Social housing exists in many forms across the developed world. As I commented up-thread, look into its history in places like Vienna.

Social housing just manifests the imbalance in waiting lists instead of prices. It's not like people who get stuck in the queue are having a better time than people who can't afford the market rate. Building more housing in desirable places to accomodate shifting demand and growing population is just as important under social housing, but even less likely, since the demand is totally disconnected from the incentives…

>Social housing just manifests the imbalance in waiting lists instead of prices. It's not like people who get stuck in the queue are having a better time than people who can't afford the market rate.

This is under the assumption that demand often outstrips supply. That's actually less likely to be true with an effective social housing policy in place.

>Building more housing in desirable places to accomodate shifting demand and growing population is just as important under social housing, but even less likely, since the demand is totally disconnected from the incentives and capital required to do it.

Lol. And you think a "free" market will improve the connection between demand and the incentives required to do it? Far from it. With a social housing policy, at least more housing will be built, because it's part of the plan.

Here's another place where a social housing policy has worked very well:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_housing_in_Singapore

Structurally, Singapore has a Georgist tax policy (it's effectively a tax haven where the majority of the population pay no income tax) that funds a very active building program. So no, the demand is actually more connected to the incentives and capital required to do it than under a so-called "free" market.

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If over regulation drove up prices, what exactly do you expect from more regulation?

It is possible for regulation to lower the cost of some things. For example, currently the regulatory environment in many California real estate market lowers the cost of holding rental property. In a more competitive, less regulated market, the opportunity cost of buildin developing now housing would be lower, so landlords would have more cost (indirectly through decreased rent or directly through more frequent reno…

> rent control shifts the calculus for good ROI in the real estate market toward new development (marginally).

It does precisely the opposite. It reduces the value of rental properties, which makes investing in constructing them less competitive against investment in constructing new housing in some other state or country, or constructing commercial properties rather than residential ones, or any other competing investment securities.

Re: California Approves Statewide Rent Control

#556

I'm shocked at the ideological fervor here and the fact that virtually no one seems to have looked at the details of the actual bill. This is nothing like the rent control ordinance in SF that has caused $3000 units to get stuck at $500 rents. That will never happen under this law. The allowable increases are so much higher than "normal" rent control laws that any given unit will catch up to market rates in a matter…

I agree with you. I’m renting out a previous condo, and as a landlord, this law strikes me as reasonable and measured. The market will still find its natural level. These controls merely dampen short-term shocks, allowing tenants and communities time to adjust as market conditions change.

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SF is capped at 60% of CPI. Inflation is 10%, you can get 6%. Doesn’t take long for that to add up.

In which universe is inflation 10%? https://www.bls.gov/regions/west/news-release/consumerpricei...

Let me restate that, if inflation was 10%, you’d only be able to increase by 6%, so you’d be losing 4% per year, which adds up quickly.

Re: California Approves Statewide Rent Control

#558
In Paris, FR, rent control was approved a few years ago. The problem is that there is no incentives for landlords to update their apartments and to maintain them clean and good looking.

Before, a pretty apartment was typically more expensive than a similar apartment (same size, same zone) which was ugly and Now, it’s same price.

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Vacancy rates are empty units that are available as a percent of all units available for rent. It doesn’t typically include units that aren’t available for rent. The estimate is there are 100,000 empty homes in the SF area.[1] I’ve seen an estimate of 20,000 for SF proper. This [2] report to SF Planning states the number of empty units has doubled over time. [1] https://www.sfgate.com/realestate/article/An-estimated-…

> I’ve seen an estimate of 20,000 for SF proper. Even if that was added to the vacancy rate, that would still leave SF with around the national average (~7%) vacancy rate, and that's without counting the off-the-market housing anywhere else in the average (and not double counting actual on-the-market vacancies everywhere else, either.) Anyway you cut it, SF has a low vacancy rate/rate of empty homes.

Yeah, but 2% to 7% vacancy rate can mean the difference between rents that are $2000 per month and rents that are $4000 per month.
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