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Re: Facebook reveals its cryptocurrency Libra

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Facebook has so much money that one can't wonder what their angle with this. I can only imagine they want to know exactly what you spend money on so they can better target ads.

Bingo. It is not exactly better targeting ads. You can sell the same ad (from the same supplier) to the same customer (the person viewing the ad) and the supplier will pay more if they are convinced the ad actually has a higher return rate.

What is the quote again from John Wanamaker "Half the money I spend on advertising is wasted; the trouble is, I don't know which half."

Thus knowing more about their users and what they buy and the ad is successful 1 day, 1 month, 1 year in the future allows Facebook to get paid more.

Re: Facebook reveals its cryptocurrency Libra

#552

Honest question: what will be the incentive for consumers to use Libra over existing solutions like PayPal, Apple Pay, Venmo etc?

1) easier p2p transfer built into apps they have already installed on their devices

2) international transfers are instant and low-cost

3) applepay, venmo and paypal are made for the developed markets. this one targets similar markets where Vodafone has its m-peso

Re: Facebook reveals its cryptocurrency Libra

#553

Honest question: what will be the incentive for consumers to use Libra over existing solutions like PayPal, Apple Pay, Venmo etc?

Ease of use will be the first hook: FB will likely leverage their install base across insta, FB, WhatsApp, messenger, etc to just upsell this constantly. Lowering the barrier to send to drive adoption.

Re: Facebook reveals its cryptocurrency Libra

#554

Facebook has so much money that one can't wonder what their angle with this. I can only imagine they want to know exactly what you spend money on so they can better target ads.

Bingo. It is not exactly better targeting ads. You can sell the same ad (from the same supplier) to the same customer (the person viewing the ad) and the supplier will pay more if they are convinced the ad actually has a higher return rate. What is the quote again from John Wanamaker "Half the money I spend on advertising is wasted; the trouble is, I don't know which half." Thus knowing more about their users and wha…

Note this is a first order effect, what I explained above.

The 2nd order effect is that by making more money for the same ad, while your competitors would make less money from the same ad...you can either sit on that profit.

Or you can use your market share and guaranteed profit to make ads less profitable to competitors and this creates a positive feedback cycle where Facebook Ads get more and more market share but other competitors and platforms of Ads gets less and less, which in turn actually allows Facebook to charge more per Ad in the long run (but in the short run Facebook may want to decrease the price per Ad.)

Re: Facebook reveals its cryptocurrency Libra

#555

It's amazing how short of a memory people have. The financial system has at least a few centuries of experience and todays regulatory climate is a reflection of the lessons learned. To some, these rules may seem arbitrary and they sometimes are but people forget how things before. I find it amusing that the big selling point behind the initial round of cryptocurrency was its lack of regulation.

its lack of regulation. This is false actually. Cryptocurrency's "selling point" is being regulated by mathematical rules and not by potentially-corrupted policymakers.

> This is false actually. Cryptocurrency's "selling point" is being regulated by mathematical rules and not by potentially-corrupted policymakers.

You're being unnecessarily pedantic. If one uses the term regulation, I think we can all presume it's about a centralized governance structure (e.g. policymakers).

The "regulation" in crypto is not a set of mathematical rules. It's a set of rules created by humans (see every crypto white paper ever) that uses mathematical models to abstract away a direct democratic process of trust to facilitate the exchange of currency.

If crypto was just about "mathematical models" then why wouldn't we just use those "mathematical models" in today's fiat currency?

Re: Facebook reveals its cryptocurrency Libra

#556
This is bad. Facebook will bake this into their software, even if they claim they won’t do it, they will. It’s no problem because you can always just use fiat right? How are you going to do that when the hoard of idiots out there adopt Libra without considering the long term implications? It could be that if you refuse to use libra, you’ll be left out in the cold. It will be like Facebook all over again. Facebook gets popular in 2007 — hoard of idiots dump all their personal information on it without a single thought about whether or not that’s a smart thing to do — hoards of idiots make Facebook intertwined with life itself without considering how messed up it is — people like me are left out in the cold because we refuse to engage — ten fucking years later people wake up and I’m vindicated — two years later the whole thing apparently is starting again and people are too dumb to see it.

Re: Facebook reveals its cryptocurrency Libra

#557
This is an interesting story and I would like to learn more about libra-coin. Unfortunately I think hackernews has a strong anti-facebook bias that is making the opinions here nearly universally one sided.

I think we can say three things fairly uncontroversially in favor of this

1. The world could use an online independent currency

2. Adding stability to blockchain currencies and having that work on a large scale is a good thing

3. Unlike government issued currencies, any monopoly or control facebook derives isn't done through force, it's by making a coin better than all the other coins. Other people are still free to make their competing coins.

That said I understand the detractions that many here are presenting. I just wish there could be a deeper exploration of both the pros and cons.

Re: Facebook reveals its cryptocurrency Libra

#558

Facebook has so much money that one can't wonder what their angle with this. I can only imagine they want to know exactly what you spend money on so they can better target ads.

Bingo. It is not exactly better targeting ads. You can sell the same ad (from the same supplier) to the same customer (the person viewing the ad) and the supplier will pay more if they are convinced the ad actually has a higher return rate. What is the quote again from John Wanamaker "Half the money I spend on advertising is wasted; the trouble is, I don't know which half." Thus knowing more about their users and wha…

I think the key here as you mention is the "pull through". Previously they could tell which ads generate buzz. The more important metric is which ads generate sales.

Re: Facebook reveals its cryptocurrency Libra

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>the world has never seen Credit cards already have similar data, no?

No, they don't have itemized data. Only the POS's have that.

So when Target says to Facebook I have this list of email addresses hashed with this algorithm can you match them to this $PRODUCT you know why when you buy some tide you get a FB ad for tide before you leave the store.

Re: Facebook reveals its cryptocurrency Libra

#560

Facebook has so much money that one can't wonder what their angle with this. I can only imagine they want to know exactly what you spend money on so they can better target ads.

I think there's just such a huge opportunity to drive sales through messenger, fb, etc with low-friction payments. They already have the 'best' targeted advertising. They just want to extend their platform all the way through to actual sales. Then they can justify a larger cut than with just the ads.

They've certainly tried payments and money-transfers before. This isn't entirely new territory. It's just very country-specific. They get hit by high transaction fees. No one wants to type their full credit card and address info, then deal with required two-factor authentication in Europe, etc. And nothing is worse than having to forward someone from your app to an unreliable slow desktop-targeted bank page which then sends you an SMS/email that you have to type back into the bank.. etc.

FB is actually right. The credit card system is straight broken from a user-experience point of view. It wasn't created with computers, mobile, or basic security in mind. It's just band-aid on top of band-aids since the 70s. And obviously cash doesn't have much presence online in western countries. FB struggles to get people to buy things through their apps. They desperately want to fix that.

Crypto currencies just work better at a fundamental level with mobile payments. It has always just been a lack of institutional support to get them supported. VISA/MC have probably been looking for a way to leapfrog bitcoin/etherium for some time now. I'm not surprised they jumped on board when a bunch of real technology companies decided to leapfrog them. Otherwise, they'd likely be in for a world of hurt in a few years if something like Apple/Google Credit launched their own without them. It's not like people love VISA/MC as companies. A huge number of people would jump ship so fast if there was literally any other option.

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