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Re: "DigitalOcean Killed Our Company"

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I have interviewed with DO and they tried diverting me towards a support position. They told me that on a single day a support engineer was supposed to help/advice customers on pretty much whatever the customer was having issue with and also handle something between 80-120 tickets per day. It's nice to see that DO is willing to help on pretty much anything they (read: their team) has knowledge about, but with 80-120…

I once worked for eBay a long time ago, and support consisted of 4 concurrent chats, offering pre-programmed macros often pointing to terribly written documentation the person had already read and was confused about. If you took the time to actually assist somebody you were chastised in a weekly review where they went over your chat support. The person doing mine told me I had the highest satisfaction record in the e…

You are very much like Bob Parr (Mr Incredible) at the Insurance company.

The reality is that his boss is true...

Re: "DigitalOcean Killed Our Company"

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I'm fortunate that my own company (Rackspace) at least has a level head about this sort of thing. My direct manager looks at my numbers (~60-80 interactions per month) and my colleagues (many hundreds of interactions per month) and correctly observes that we have different strengths, and that's the end of the discussion. I have a tendency to take my time and go deep on issues, and my coworkers will send me tickets th…

Support should be looked at as a profit center, but almost everyone tries to run it like a cost center. It's crazy that companies spend $$ on marketing and sales, then cheap out on a interaction with someone who is already interested in / using their product.

Running profit centers requires comparatively rarer leadership resources while running cost centers only requires easy-to-hire management resources. You don't want your best leaders whipping your support center into shape letting the company's competitive edge fritter away.

Re: "DigitalOcean Killed Our Company"

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Ten years ago, I had a pretty reasonable $10/mo account, that I eventually moved to a $20/mo account because I needed more resources to keep up with traffic. I'd expect that, as more transistors have been packed blah blah blah, that such a $10/mo account would have gotten better , not worse, since then.

Support and staffing costs are not subject to Moore's law.

Neither is bandwidth.

Re: "DigitalOcean Killed Our Company"

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Let me see if I get this straight... Developer has a Python script that takes 1 second per record to execute and he has 500,00 records to process, so he spins up 10 distinct VMs each running the same Python script to parallelize the task. The provider shuts him down and cites a section of the EULA that says "You shall not take any action that imposes an unreasonable... load on our infrastructure." Basically saying "H…

Developer receives an e-mail "we noticed something weird. btw here's our TOS. please explain". Developer explains as requested. Developer receives "k, we've restored your account", which sounds an awful lot like "what you're doing is fine". Developer gets shut down again despite having explained the behavior as requested (i.e. the explanation is on file) and despite the explanation being considered sufficient by DO.…

My guess is that the account suspensions are an automated monitoring process and not someone sitting in a NOC monitoring activity.

Think of that automated monitoring like a circuit breaker in an electrical panel. If you plug an air compressor into a 15 amp circuit and it pops the breaker, once you flip the breaker back on would you run the compressor again? No? Then why would you think it ok perform the same activity that tripped up the automated system?

The OP seemed to be aware that spooling up 10 VMs to do whatever he did was what got him booted, so... why didn't he reach out to DO to find out exactly what alarms he tripped and then take action to either get his account whitelisted or modify his process to ensure it didn't trip the automated alarms again?

He just got his account unbanned (flipped the circuit breaker) and fired his job back up (turned the compressor back on).

Re: "DigitalOcean Killed Our Company"

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I'm fortunate that my own company (Rackspace) at least has a level head about this sort of thing. My direct manager looks at my numbers (~60-80 interactions per month) and my colleagues (many hundreds of interactions per month) and correctly observes that we have different strengths, and that's the end of the discussion. I have a tendency to take my time and go deep on issues, and my coworkers will send me tickets th…

+1 for Rack support. A previous company I worked for was heavily invested in Rackspace infrastructure and while I often opined not getting the equivalent experience with AWS for the resume, I was regularly floored with the quality of their support. Whenever I had the pleasure of needing to open a ticket they solved my problems and usually taught me something new in the process. The linux guys were very clearly battle…

i have the opposite experience with Rackspace. The low end stuff (hosted exchange etc) is basically useless, people who are obviously on multiple chats, they let tickets sit for days...

Even when we had small handful of physical servers with them, they seemed inept. They actually lost our servers one time and couldn’t get someone out to reset power on our firewall.

Re: "DigitalOcean Killed Our Company"

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post #196

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I've been on Linode for 8+ years now (moved there from Slicehost when Rackspace swallowed them up) and their service (not necessarily customer support) has significantly degraded. Not sure I blame them though. They've become far more popular since I started with them and are probably doing their best to grow... but I no longer recommend them as I used to. Just my experience though.

So who would you recommend?

I've been using Hetzner Cloud and have been quite happy with it.

Re: "DigitalOcean Killed Our Company"

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Ran a Minecraft server in college via DigitalOcean. Was my first experience with a VPS. They locked it down after looking at the console logs and deciding it wasn’t “educational” enough for them.

Were you using credit from something education related?

Re: "DigitalOcean Killed Our Company"

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Given that the author was quite vague about the nature of this “pipeline” and that their product is an “AI-powered Startup Selection engine”, I have a suspicion they were probably crawling and scraping a whole bunch of pages for new startups. It’s possible that this was totally legit and it just looked like a ddos attack, or that it was something else entirely, but everyone here seems to have taken him at his word th…

What's wrong with scraping a bunch of pages. As long as they are following robots.txt, it's no big deal.

HN always had a boner for web-crawler hate. How dare you automate downloading of public data others post online!

Re: "DigitalOcean Killed Our Company"

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Some people on HN hate Linode because of their past security screwups (which is valid), but having used both DO and Linode quite a lot, the support on Linode is way, way, way better than DO's. DO's tier 1 support is almost useless. I set up a new account with them recently for a droplet that needed to be well separated from the rest of my infrastructure, and ran into a confusing error message that was preventing it f…

I'll throw in Prgmr.com. One of their owners, Alyn Post, is on Lobsters with us. They even donate hosting to the site. He's been a super-nice guy over the years. Given how cost-competitive market is, they mainly differentiate on straight-forward offerings with good service. So, I tell folks about them if concerned about good service or more ethical providers. https://prgmr.com/xen/ Main, potential caveat is they're X…

Luke used to post here quite a bit too
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