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Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by teknologist »

plq wrote: post #530
cletus wrote: post #278

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Microsoft only releases it on one OS. so if you happen to use a Mac or Linux you need another browser. Chrome and Firefox are the only viable options. Also Microsoft are victims of their own legacy, namely what they did with Internet Explorer. Changing the box model, not adopting standards, not fixing bugs, causing no end of headaches for people having to support IE and so on. Trust needs to be earned. Apple had the…

> My favorite is prompting me to restart to install an update when I open it. It's the best they can do. Windows carries a lot of baggage and bad decisions around its OS design. One of them is that when a file has an exclusive lock (eg an .exe file that's running) it can't be deleted. NTFS and Windows Kernel don't implement reference counting like a proper OS. So Firefox (or any software package with in-place self-up…

I am not an expert on this, but I believe Chrome downloads a new exe waiting to be copied over when it is launched. The Firefox updater on the other hand is a whole progress bar experience where a lot of things seem to have to happen to perform an update.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by thrower123 »

alwillis wrote: post #65
thrower123 wrote: post #32

Broken shit should die. And Edge was definitely broke. Safari is next, with 5% market. Chrome is the clear winner in the end.

Certainly WebKit on iOS, macOS, and watchOS is much more than 5% of active web users. There are over 2 billion iOS devices and every browser on iOS—Firefox, Chrome, Brave—uses WebKit.

People that have a choice don't use apple products. That is quite a condemnation in my eyes.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by 300bps »

cm2187 wrote: post #498
JohnBooty wrote: post #179

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Yeah, this is just depressing and honestly a little baffling. Seems contrary to Microsoft's interests - why let Google control this aspect of the Web? (Obviously, MS will maintain their own fork and can permanently fork away whenever they want/need to, I guess, so it's not like they've locked themselves in forever, but still) I actually wasn't aware of the problems with Edge. This is the first I've heard of them... I…

Not that I have any insight into Microsoft but it appears to be consistent with their strategy of disengaging from the client. Why bear the cost of maintaining your own browser technology given the extraordinary complexity, a low market share and little to no associated revenues. I wouldn't be too sad if Firefox was switching to chromium either. Then developers would only need to worry about rendering into one engine…

Not that I have any insight into Microsoft

Apparently I called for this over four years ago:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7909383

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by davidgerard »

int_19h wrote: post #417
pjc50 wrote: post #326

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Edge is a terrible product: it's a poor clone of its competitors and it has no distinguishing feature. Microsoft needed to actually innovate here and they didn't. Nor did they find an unmet need. Edge exists because everyone hates IE, not because it has something new for the user.

Its distinguishing feature is that it can read EPUB books. I'm not entirely sure why you'd want that in the browser - I think someone looked at how all browsers these days have native PDF support, and thought, "I wonder if we could squeeze something else in there".

I really hope they keep that feature - even most Linux distros can't just read e-books out of the box.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by senorjazz »

sergiosgc wrote: post #532
vic20forever wrote: post #370

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> This will be especially true when Firefox inevitably shutters it's in-house efforts in a couple of years due to the amount of sites that won't work with it, and starts using Chromium too. Watching Mozilla align Firefox's extension API with Chromium's, I'm a little surprised that they haven't already made the move. If browser evolution continues along the current path, I predict Firefox will switch to Chromium withi…

Do you mind listing mainstream sites that have serious glitches on Firefox? It's my main browser, and I can't remember one single mainstream site that glitches on FF.

Not mainstream sites, but I do seem to come across more sites that I have to open Chrome for.

I used to put it down to my plugins, but there are some sites (which of course I cannot name) that don't work, even with noscript / ublock disabled.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by executesorder66 »

cletus wrote: post #278
TanakaTarou wrote: post #183

What other options do they have? Even on HN you hear "I use Egde to download Chrome". Many of you here don't test your own work in Edge. At the same time Microsoft is getting the heat that Windows 10 is unstable and the last major update shows that it is. Very urgently, I imagine, Microsoft is trying to change the perception of Windows 10 by doing everything they can to make it more stable. Changing the browser engin…

Microsoft only releases it on one OS. so if you happen to use a Mac or Linux you need another browser. Chrome and Firefox are the only viable options. Also Microsoft are victims of their own legacy, namely what they did with Internet Explorer. Changing the box model, not adopting standards, not fixing bugs, causing no end of headaches for people having to support IE and so on. Trust needs to be earned. Apple had the…

> It's 2018. The era is office like updates is over.

It's 2018. If you don't want to deal with updates like that, then stop using a shitty OS like windows.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by glenneroo »

pjc50 wrote: post #326
colordrops wrote: post #257

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I can't quite put my finger on it but something feels wrong about blaming the general populace for Edge's failure as a browser. Microsoft is one of the wealthiest companies on Earth. They've had every opportunity to use every marketing channel and dump resources into the team to make Edge an obvious winner. But they didn't.

Edge is a terrible product: it's a poor clone of its competitors and it has no distinguishing feature. Microsoft needed to actually innovate here and they didn't. Nor did they find an unmet need. Edge exists because everyone hates IE, not because it has something new for the user.

Maybe one "feature" is that Edge is the only browser where Netflix runs with 1080p (1920 x 1080 i.e. full HD) streaming due to requirements of the encryption layer (within Windows?) not working with other browsers. I verify this regularly with Chrome/FF/Edge. It's unfortunate that Edge is such a horrible experience, 1080p is rarely worth it, as Edge crashes or jitters a lot, even when running on Ryzen 8-core, 64GB RAM and OS on a M.2 SSD.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by AnaniasAnanas »

sametmax wrote: post #547
headmelted wrote: post #310

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It's not really better though - having only two real browsers is not good for open standards or the open web. This will be especially true when Firefox inevitably shutters it's in-house efforts in a couple of years due to the amount of sites that won't work with it , and starts using Chromium too. Staring into my crystal ball tells me Firefox will become "janky" in the eyes of users on account of how many sites don't…

> This will be especially true when Firefox inevitably shutters it's in-house efforts in a couple of years due to the amount of sites that won't work with it, and starts using Chromium too. It seems very unlikely: - Mozilla has been in a far worse uderdog position before during the IE6 era, with way more incompatible sites and less funding. - Mozilla is not for profit. Fighting for the open Web is one of their goal.…

> - Privacy concerns are (FINALLY !) being taken in consideration from the crowd

I don't know how true this is when considering all the calling-home (split over multiple settings in about:config making it difficult to disable) in modern firefox versions.

> Mozilla has the hardcore geeks on their side.

A lot of geeks are moving away from it to forks or to other browsers like qutebrowser, which actually makes senses considering that mozilla keeps trying to sabotage the poweruser demographic.

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