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The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange

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Re: The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange

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Post by Nasrudith »

Joakal wrote: post #440
codedokode wrote: post #420

As I understand, Assange is not an US citizen. How can they prosecute him? Wikipedia page [1] says: > Opinions of Assange at this time [2010] were divided. Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard described his activities as "illegal," but the police said that he had broken no Australian law. United States Vice President Joe Biden and others called him a "terrorist". Some called for his assassination or execution. Tha…

Try this Australian pirate who got jailed in USA. Then upon released, got jailed again for being an illegal alien and banned from USA. Before the extradition, he had never set foot in USA before. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hew_Raymond_Griffiths Labor/Liberal are USA stooges.

That sounds typical of ICE - the stooges have gotten sued multiple times for deporting born US citizens.

Re: The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange

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Post by qume »

There is a real, if small, chance that there could be a general election in the UK soon and potentially a more favourable labour government. If I were Assange I would do whatever I could to hang in there at least long enough to rule that possibility out.

Re: The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange

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Post by cheez »

matt4077 wrote: post #493
josteink wrote: post #462

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What charges? Uncovering massive war-crimes committed by the US? (And how many have been charged as the result of those?) Are you saying it’s ok to let people off the hook for war-crimes, but reporting them should put you in prison? What kind of society would that be? Certainly not one I would want to live in.

The danish rape charge, which would have probably been resolved with a few months of probation or some mandatory training. Somehow, Assange managed to turn that prospect into the self-inflicted and unlimited golden cage that is the Ecuadorian Embassy. Guy's a true genius...

If you've been paying attention to #metoo, Kavanaugh and all that, this type of thing is done to discredit. No matter what Assange would do afterwards, every story would start: Assange, who agreed to probation for a rape charge, ...

Re: The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange

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Post by resters »

yesenadam wrote: post #543
resters wrote: post #542

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try it yourself with a throwaway account.

Ah ok. Well, I'm sure I won't be bothered doing that. (And to write fake comments I don't believe in doesn't seem....ethical somehow.) Also, I suspect your "Supporting Assange" and "expressing skepticism about the Russia narrative" are massive euphemisms. Maybe you could give links to the comments you're referring to?

I don't recommend wasting the time to do it. I have already done the experiment twice and the way it works is that some topics/stories on HN are under careful scrutiny for unwanted ideas.

I'm not talking about prejudice or other backward ideas, but simply ideas that challenge the dominant world view that I'd describe as Silicon Valley Establishment Democratic Party Loyalist.

There was a point during the 2016 campaign when Sam and others involved in YC decided to become openly and unabashedly partisan. Notably, not in an idea driven way but in a way that is power oriented.

This emboldened those with partisan aims in the HN discussion to reach out to mods to help them rid the community of people critical of the establishment Democratic Party and its sacred cows.

It's really too bad.

Re: The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange

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Post by resters »

jstanley wrote: post #380
oh-kumudo wrote: post #357

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I don't think there are many self-claimed libertarians actually voice for open-borders. It is just an extension of interpretation out of the theorists. Limited government doesn't mean a complete denial of necessary national governance. It can be easily argued that void of such governance isn't in the interests of those libertarian ideals.

Self-claimed libertarian here: I want open borders and free trade.

same here.

Re: The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange

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Post by jokoon »

scoot_718 wrote: post #541
guitarbill wrote: post #489

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There are more egregious cases. Kim Dotcom has never been to the US, yet is somehow facing extradition to the US. None of these cases are about justice, it's more like bullying.

He's a massive fraud who does business in the US. Why don't you make a similar defense of El Chapo?

Although El chapo is a criminal, it should not be up to the US to judge him. The drug trade is an american problem, it doesn't really matter if people from other countries are smuggling in drugs.

Also, El chapo might have operatives inside the US.

It should be whatever country El Chapo is building his drug trade in, who should take care of him. And if the country is corrupt, the US cannot be everywhere to help everybody.

Re: The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange

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Post by dang »

resters wrote: post #449
nl wrote: post #429

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(To preempt: I'm not complaining, I have lots of imaginary HN points) The voting on this is amazing. It's gone from +3 to -2 to 0 and back up and down a few times in just a couple of hours. It'd be really, really interesting to see the patterns of what else voters are voting for. I don't think this comment is particularly controversial (it's a direct response, doesn't attempt to interprete the evidence, made it clear…

Supporting Assange or expressing skepticism about the Russia narrative on HN is a good way to get shadow banned, but it depends a lot in which mod gets involved.

I'm not aware of any such pattern among HN moderators.

Re: The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange

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Post by yesenadam »

resters wrote: post #554
yesenadam wrote: post #543

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Ah ok. Well, I'm sure I won't be bothered doing that. (And to write fake comments I don't believe in doesn't seem....ethical somehow.) Also, I suspect your "Supporting Assange" and "expressing skepticism about the Russia narrative" are massive euphemisms. Maybe you could give links to the comments you're referring to?

I don't recommend wasting the time to do it. I have already done the experiment twice and the way it works is that some topics/stories on HN are under careful scrutiny for unwanted ideas. I'm not talking about prejudice or other backward ideas, but simply ideas that challenge the dominant world view that I'd describe as Silicon Valley Establishment Democratic Party Loyalist . There was a point during the 2016 campaig…

Ok thanks for responding. Do you have evidence for what you said? Like links to comments or....well, I don't know what. I suppose there isn't any proof, or you would've mentioned it by now.

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Post by jacobush »

scoot_718 wrote: post #539
jacobush wrote: post #466

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You need to step up your game mister! Currently, the alt-right does not see him as a Russian agent, because Russia doesn't meddle in elections and stuff. That's just crazy talk propaganda. They are dangerous with some nuclear stuff so we have to build more nukes. But they are good in Syria and we need to either step away completely from that shit-show or give them a hand and fight on their side. It's complicated. The…

You claim to lay out both sides and then characterise the alt-right case as 'complicated' and therefore full of nuance, but the left-leaning side as 'unclear' and therefore nonsensical? You're just like Mitch McConnell calling for bipartisanship and fairplay after years of crap. Completely disingenuous.

Wow...

if you can read in any flattering from me on either red or blue, I don't know what to say.

And I'm poking fun of the whole "calling for bipartisanship" for ignoring that there might be more than two parts to any one issue, and then you compare me to (red team) Mitch McConnell!

Handing over the microphone to you, my comedy act can't match this. How's that knee?

Re: The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange

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Post by azernik »

cwkoss wrote: post #526
azernik wrote: post #341

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Leakers always have motivations. That's why reporters need to not take their leaks at face value, and do reporting to expand on the information they receive.

How can presenting a subjective and potentially-biased interpretation of a primary source be better journalism than presenting the primary source itself?

Because the primary sources are often (as in the case of deliberate leaks that we're talking about here) subjective and definitely/intentionally biased. The journalist's job is to provide context and interpretation that are as objective as possible, even though absolute objectivity is impossible.
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