Business's who depend on the livelihood of free speech: Google, Facebook, Apple, Cloudflare, Netflix, Salesforce, et all need to get together and say "No, or we'll stop doing business in the EU".
This is beyond ridiculous.
EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ and ‘upload filter’
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Re: EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ and ‘upload filter’
#552So bad is this legislation that it's almost enough to make me change my views on Brexit. It's ludicrous to me that the same body that approved something so user-centric as GDPR could come up with legislation so incredibly hostile to small players as to effectively abolish the open internet by financial attrition. Once this comes in, we'll collectively need to finally start work on that peer-to-peer, onion-layered, en…
Both GDPR and this were intended to hurt American tech giants. However the people pushing this have very little understanding of how internet works so it would certainly have the opposite effect. The grim reality is that deregulation is the only sure way to help homegrown startups compete against the incumbents but you cannot push for deregulation without losing your entire political base in Europe.
Re: EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ and ‘upload filter’
#553Business's who depend on the livelihood of free speech: Google, Facebook, Apple, Cloudflare, Netflix, Salesforce, et all need to get together and say "No, or we'll stop doing business in the EU". This is beyond ridiculous.
> Business's who depend on the livelihood of free speech: Google, Facebook
Given this legislation virtually guarantees their hegemony over European content distribution, I don't expect too much complaining.
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#554Earlier quoted context omitted.
The worse for YouTube the platform, the better for free, decentralized, federated competitor platforms like PeerTube.
Except they have to comply with the law too.
Well, of course the law applies to them too. But what happens in the instances that they don't comply? Laws are enforced by incentive structures, such as punishment. Who gets punished or otherwise incentivized to make PeerTube comply with the law, and what effect will that have on the functioning of PeerTube?
Re: EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ and ‘upload filter’
#555So bad is this legislation that it's almost enough to make me change my views on Brexit. It's ludicrous to me that the same body that approved something so user-centric as GDPR could come up with legislation so incredibly hostile to small players as to effectively abolish the open internet by financial attrition. Once this comes in, we'll collectively need to finally start work on that peer-to-peer, onion-layered, en…
Already got you covered! The Internet Archive ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17685682 ) & notabug.io (a P2P Reddit alternative, pushing terabytes traffic) have already moved to using our decentralized tools ( https://github.com/amark/gun ).
Coming up, we're also working on IP masking (onion layering), and we already have an option to do end-to-end encryption (which prevents middlemen from being able to read your data).
If you are passionate about this stuff, there are a lot of projects moving in this direction and all Open Source, and they/us/them could really use help/contribution! Political reasons only shorten the timeline on needing this.
Re: EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ and ‘upload filter’
#556Earlier quoted context omitted.
The likes of YouTube will be affected the least. They already have aggressive copyright enforcement measures in place, and they can afford to do that. Smaller, more independent platforms will not be able to afford to implement compliance with these new regulations, and will potentially be driven out of business.
What about distributed systems without central control? Will the new laws force them to introduce filtering into the software (which could e.g. be open source and forkable by anyone)? Or does this only apply to systems with a centralized repository? I'm curious how this is supposed to work.
You can look up the legal actions related to Usenet to see an example of US State Attorneys General banding together to attack a distributed system because a few people were posting bad stuff on it.
Re: EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ and ‘upload filter’
#557Business's who depend on the livelihood of free speech: Google, Facebook, Apple, Cloudflare, Netflix, Salesforce, et all need to get together and say "No, or we'll stop doing business in the EU". This is beyond ridiculous.
This is fantastic for Google in Europe - they aren't making money from hobbyist publishing remixes and can easily filter it out with the infrastructure and training data they already have. They make money off Despacito and the likes with whom they already have a revshare in place.
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#558Earlier quoted context omitted.
> German courts at least agree that for such things This implies that you are going to have to go to court because you got an email at 1am and didn't reply right away...in order to fight off potentially serious fines. Whether it's accurate or not it's still very expensive to prove it's inaccuracy (in time alone, not including financially and stress). This has very serious consequences for small and even medium busine…
>This implies that you are going to have to go to court No it doesn't, it means that if you get dragged to court because you got the email at 1AM and you were asleep, then you're not guilty of anything. No judge will put up a fine for that.
> No it doesn't
> No judge will put up a fine for that.
You're contradicting yourself...you have to go to court to get charges dropped by a judge.
Re: EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ and ‘upload filter’
#559So bad is this legislation that it's almost enough to make me change my views on Brexit. It's ludicrous to me that the same body that approved something so user-centric as GDPR could come up with legislation so incredibly hostile to small players as to effectively abolish the open internet by financial attrition. Once this comes in, we'll collectively need to finally start work on that peer-to-peer, onion-layered, en…
Both GDPR and this were intended to hurt American tech giants. However the people pushing this have very little understanding of how internet works so it would certainly have the opposite effect. The grim reality is that deregulation is the only sure way to help homegrown startups compete against the incumbents but you cannot push for deregulation without losing your entire political base in Europe.
> GDPR [...] were intended to hurt American tech giants.
GDPR builds on previous EU privacy regulation, some of which has existed long before the US tech giants.
Here's the Council of Europe's Convention number 108, introduced in 1981. https://www.coe.int/en/web/conventions/full-list/-/conventio...
Hesse, Germany,introduced data protection law in 1970. Sweden introduced national law in 1973. Germany in 1977 and France in 1978.
The OECD introduced guidelines in 1980.
The Council of Europe had Convention No 108 in 1981.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=tyfYCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA47&lpg...
Re: EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ and ‘upload filter’
#560Earlier quoted context omitted.
> This can have a chilling affect on content creation It in no way prevents anyone from creating content and publishing it on their own website. You make it sound like the youtubes of this world are necessary for content creation.
You're forgetting that everybody are liable under a law like this. Including reddit, and hacker news itself
Not everybody, a small minority of the planet actually (the EU is a mere ~6.7% of the planet's population). The ideal solution if you're a US service like HN, is to ignore EU laws like this, as HN is governed by US law. For YouTube, it's a lot more difficult.
Put simply, if you're a US (or Australian, or Brazilian, or Japanese, etc) service: tell the EU to go fuck itself. US courts will laugh at their attempts to enforce EU law over US law.
Keep your servers in the US, if that's where you're located. If you have no need to do business in the EU, then you have almost nothing to worry about. The EU's reach largely stops at its borders unless you're operating in their jurisdiction.
For my service as a US operation, EU copyright law is meaningless. I'll continue to allow EU users to sign up, and entirely disregard EU law.
Ultimately the only way the EU can truly enforce their backwards policies against a global Internet, is to set up a Chinese firewall and hold EU persons as captives of that creeping authoritarianism.