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https://codepen.io/dredmorbius/pen/KpMqqB
A++++++ would inspect elements again.
Aww! Thanks ;-)
The Bullshit Web
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(All that being said, I'm also fairly salty about having 8 GB of RAM and a mechanical hard drive rendering my computer incredibly painful to use as technology has marched on. Discord - which I use almost exclusively as an IRC chatroom with persistent while-you-were-gone chat history, embedded media, and fun custom emotes - is an entire Electron app that eats over 100 MB minimum; Firefox is eating 750 MB just keeping…
My i3wm environment doesn't randomly start anything I don't ask it to start and runs very comfortably with 8gb of ram heck it would run fine with 4gb and no swap. Maybe you are running the wrong os.
I don't think esoteric linuxes are really necessary--I'm running vanilla Ubuntu 16.04 with 16GB RAM and top three processes are only Crashplan (~800MB), Dropbox (~460) and Chrome (327 resident, 1380 shared, per htop, with 6 tabs running). My total usage at the moment is 4.04GB out of 15.4 available, again per htop. Some of the other numbers in this thread are baffling to me.
But I don't run any Electron apps, so there's that.
But, yeah, I guess I wouldn't be able to run this same workload with 4GB RAM. That's what lubuntu is for.
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There's nothing axiomatic about our disagreement here, it's not like I'm unaware of the existence of inefficient businesses. Individual companies may choose to leave money on the table, but industries and markets as a whole do not (not intentionally, anyway). You've just described the status quo, where businesses have to sacrifice their lifeblood to achieve your ideals. Those businesses tend to be beaten by more focu…
I'm not trying to champion anything, I'm speaking my mind. I don't expect the NYT to change because I'm writing an HN comment. If market forces or legislation are insufficient to force companies to respect user privacy across unrelated domains , then I'll rely on my own setup: a Pi-Hole VPN for mobile devices, and uBlock Origin for desktop devices. I happily whitelist domains with non-intrusive ads and respect for Do…
> Journalism is not a winner take all environment
So? I'm not sure how this means that news orgs won't suffer from losing business to competitors with superior tracking.
> Newspapers were surviving in online media well before this tracking was around
Markets change. Advertisers have different expectations. Readers have more news to choose from. This is a silly argument.
> The NYT already has sufficiently many inefficiencies that if they actually cared about user privacy, they could trim the fat elsewhere
Sure, but why? Why would they do that? Why wouldn't they trim the fat elsewhere AND keep the tracking to make more money?
The point you make doesn't really make sense. Yeah, it's theoretically possible for news orgs to stop tracking in the same way that it's theoretically possible for me to take out a knife right now and cut off my legs. News orgs can make up their losses elsewhere and survive in the same way that I can still get around with a wheelchair.
But why on earth would I or the NYT do that?
I respond to you with these questions because it seems to me that both you and the OP speak out against these practices because you feel they are unnecessary. My point is that they are necessary. You just don't acknowledge the forces that make them so.
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Couldn’t they eg have some trusted proxy server that routes some requests to the real-content NYTimes server and some to the ad server?
That sounds like a viable solution to the trust issue. They don't need to respond to the requests, just see copies they can be sure are real requests.
For advertisers to trust this proxy server, the NYT cannot control this proxy server to preserve its integrity. So now you're asking the NYT to base their business on an advertiser-controlled server?
What happens when the proxy goes down? What happens when there are bugs? Do you think publishers can really trust advertisers to be good stewards of the publisher's business? Think for a moment about publishers that are not as big as the NYT.
Okay, maybe they do trust an advertiser-controlled proxy server. This means that both tracking scripts and NYT scripts are served from the same domain, meaning they no longer have cross origin security tampering protection. What's stopping the NYT from serving a script that tampers with an advertiser's tracking script?
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And how good is it?
Like any community, that's defined by the people in it. Some groups are excellent, some groups are mostly dead, some display varying levels of toxicity. Overall my experience hasn't been a bad one.
What kinds of groups are there?
Given the lack of popularity and commercial support, combined with the complexity to connect a client with an available server (compared with downloading an app from the store), I'd expect that they are populated mostly by old tech people or passers-by from universities; and any special interest group would have small user base coming from that demographic profile. Are my assumptions correct?
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Or what if, we allow tracking and ads, with native speed? There is the problem of Network that won't / cant be fixed in any short term. Then the problem with Rendering and Reflow. The first one being a long time before everyone gets 1Gbps internet, the 2nd being even if you have 1Gbps internet it will still be slow due to all the mini scripts. What if the fonts were there in the first place? What if the browser activ…
FWIW, you have effectively just described the 'app' solution. In that solution all of the tracking and analytics, fonts, and other 'baseline' content are part of the app, which then fetches the unique content (the few Kb of story text and Mb of images) and then renders it all locally. There is even some ability to do A/B testing in that setup. The "App" itself is basically a browser with none of the non-content UI co…
Precisely, but we don't want to be bounded by the App Store ecosystem. And we want to improve the UX of Website, which so far hasn't been great.
As a matter of fact, may be these API for tracking, analytics should be the same across Apps and Browsers.
We tech nerds keeps throwing out new terms, Web App, Web Pages, etc, but to our user they are all the same. They want to consumer information in Text, Video and Images, and in a fast and smooth way without Jank.
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#557I know of a few sites that have a light version. CNN for example: http://lite.cnn.io/en
But I find that articles are so media heavy these days that removing videos or images detracts from the meaning
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Funny thing is I use my i3wm environment on 16gb of RAM and a 4k screen. I'm actually migrating to rat poison because it's so incredibly simple and basic that it has been making me drool. I mean, look at the source code. It doesn't get much simpler than that for a tiled WM.
If you are interested in rat poison, you may also enjoy xmonad. I've used both and much preferred xmonad
Load the entire GHC garbage collected runtime just for my window manager? Isn't this the same philosophy that causes people to use Electron? And that results in unnecessarily large memory footprints and runtime performance penalties?
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But doesn't that hold true regardless? The presence of the New York Times means there are certain stories not being investigated or told. And we aren't even fully aware. We have no idea if those stories would be of more worth to us or not.
Can you elaborate more? I was working with the model that more investigative journalism is better, but you seem to be suggesting that the presence of some news outlets inhibits others.
Just in a basic sense. The NYT employs X people, sells to Y people, etc. Those are people who won't be employed by someone else, people who won't buy another paper.
There's a sort of critical mass of "news" that can be made. We can't all be investigative journalists.
So whatever that would be here instead of the NYT might be different, it might not be worse. It could be just as good, just different.
Of course, it could be worse. It could be better. We can't know.
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I'm not accusing anyone of selling my data and I'm not trying to champion a crusade against the entire advertising industry. I'm asserting that the NYT can achieve the substantial majority of the advertising optimization and targeting it needs to do to be profitable 1) without doing user-specific tracking and 2) without making page loads extremely slow. Like I said, serve me an ad. I'm not an idealist, I understand w…
> I'm asserting that the NYT can achieve the substantial majority of the advertising optimization and targeting it needs to do to be profitable Majority, not all. Why should they leave money on the table, exactly?
> Majority, not all. Why should they leave money on the table, exactly?
It may be that they are, in fact, driving users away. Tracking user behaviour can become a distraction.