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Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Post by throwaway2048 »

coldtea wrote: post #521
tracer4201 wrote: post #342

I honestly don't understand all these quality sacrifices just to make things thinner. It makes the product actually feel somewhat cheap and brittle. The same thing confuses me with smartphones. Everyone keeps making these bacteria and finger print magnets thinner... the minute you drop it, it's shattered or unuseable... and so then you're buying a case to protect it from scratches and shatter... so what's the point o…

> I honestly don't understand all these quality sacrifices just to make things thinner. It makes the product actually feel somewhat cheap and brittle. It's easy: every time people had the chance to buy thinner or thicker products, they flocked to the thinner ones. The complaints are random outliers around the internet, but the actual Apple's sales numbers (record years after record years and reduced sales for thicker…

you are confusing coincidence with causation, there is no evidence that apples record sales numbers (which seem to be at an end anyhow) have much to do with making things thinner to the point of fragility.

Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Post by nostalgeek »

coldtea wrote: post #521
tracer4201 wrote: post #342

I honestly don't understand all these quality sacrifices just to make things thinner. It makes the product actually feel somewhat cheap and brittle. The same thing confuses me with smartphones. Everyone keeps making these bacteria and finger print magnets thinner... the minute you drop it, it's shattered or unuseable... and so then you're buying a case to protect it from scratches and shatter... so what's the point o…

> I honestly don't understand all these quality sacrifices just to make things thinner. It makes the product actually feel somewhat cheap and brittle. It's easy: every time people had the chance to buy thinner or thicker products, they flocked to the thinner ones. The complaints are random outliers around the internet, but the actual Apple's sales numbers (record years after record years and reduced sales for thicker…

> It's easy: every time people had the chance to buy thinner or thicker products, they flocked to the thinner ones.

You'll need to back up that statement with factual sources, because clearly all Apple decisions aren't always backed by marketing studies because all their products are not always that successful.

I personally don't believe what you just said.

Counter example: bigger screens.

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Post by azernik »

dsuth wrote: post #496
fauigerzigerk wrote: post #357

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And why do you think that a lot of people who are painfully aware of all the issues you mention still refuse to use Linux on a laptop while happily using it on servers? There is a riduculous repetitiveness about this debate. For me and many others, Linux on a laptop has always been unstable, insecure, hot and noisy. Many specific issues can be fixed if you put in the effort, but on almost every dist-upgrade something…

This. I gave up after several rounds of dist-upgrades broke, then fixed, then re-broke things. If you’re making fundamental architectural changes on a regular (monthly) basis, it’s pretty clear you’re not interested in being taken seriously in the business user world.

Stick with LTS releases. Those make no deep changes, and are supported for (with Ubuntu) 5 years.

Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Post by invalidusernam3 »

vincnetas wrote: post #255
Arn_Thor wrote: post #211

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As someone who'd been in the Mac ecosystem and paid the price in time and expense of leaving for a PC a few years back, I'm starting to lean back toward the Mac side. The amount of fiddling and headaches I'm dealing with on Windows is just a huge waste of time. Had to reinstall all my programs after a recent Windows update ruined the OS.

Have mac book air from 2013. Went through all OS upgrades with no reinstalls. Even upgraded SSD from 128 to 512 with flawless backup from timecapsule. Can't even image this happening on windows...

I recently had a hard drive failure on my primary HD in my mac pro (desktop, the old shape). The machine wouldn't boot into the OS at all.

I bought a new HD and ran the recovery tool which gave me an option to clone from another drive. I figured I might as well give it a try even though the old HD seemed completely dead.

After a couple of hours the machine rebooted using the new HD. The amazing part is not only were are my files perfectly intact, but the exact same applications I had open when the old HD died opened up automatically on the new HD.

Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Post by throwaway2048 »

testplzignore wrote: post #535
no1youknowz wrote: post #408

Apple. This issue is seriously simple. Take the previous design, you know the one from late 2012 to 2015. If you must (sigh), take out the SD card, HDMI, USB A, MagSafe and replace with USB-C. I don't know who suggested this, but whatever. Don't add in a touch bar. Don't add in an over sized touchpad. Leave the keyboard alone. The layout of the model is amazing. I purchased a late 2012 in Jan '13. It's been my daily…

1. Create good product. 2. Gain market share. 3. Gradually make product worse without losing market share. 4. Make product good again with giant price increase. 5. PROFIT! Apple is stuck on step 3. Either they don't know that step 4 exists, or they think they can squeeze more juice out of step 3, or they don't have the technical ability to do step 4.

At least they have implemented the second part of step 4...

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Post by myared »

sh4z wrote: post #485
sharpshadow wrote: post #470

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There is a XPS Developer Edition with Linux instead of Microsoft. I'm personally stuck with Win 7. Will never update to Win 10 and OSX does not seem to be a good choice nowadays. That means Linux will make the run the next years, hopefully.

Personally I like to just get the Windows version and load Linux with GRUB as a second boot option. The few times I need to do something on Windows (photo editing, some games) I just reboot.

As an XPS 15 9560 owner who used to dual boot, I would highly recommend disabling Windows update as certain updates will ruin your Linux partition.

https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2364091

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Post by icantdrive55 »

tracer4201 wrote: post #342

I honestly don't understand all these quality sacrifices just to make things thinner. It makes the product actually feel somewhat cheap and brittle. The same thing confuses me with smartphones. Everyone keeps making these bacteria and finger print magnets thinner... the minute you drop it, it's shattered or unuseable... and so then you're buying a case to protect it from scratches and shatter... so what's the point o…

For years I thought the same thing.

I didn't say much because I got tired of being called a Luddite, have eyes roll, or being told, "the last thing a consumer cares about is ease of repairability."

Then again I see people in Apple stores buying products like sheep.

I'm looking for a new car for a family member. I went to mechanics school--for a year, so I'm the one who gets stuck with vechicle stuff.

I really don't like the vechicles I'm looking at.

I'm looking at vechicles with just so many sensors, and three propiatiary computers. Salesman, "The technology on this vechicle amazing."

A few months ago, I didn't think it was a strange question to ask a salesman the price if the Factory Service Manual, or the availability of renting/buying a scan tool for the vechicle.

They all say the same thing, "Oh--no one works on their autos anymore?"

I like modern technology.

I don't like stuff that gimmicky, or is not repairable.

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Post by coldtea »

ajuc wrote: post #545
coldtea wrote: post #527

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> This apple trash keyboard doesn't have Shift+Insert. The alt is next to ctrl and it's place is taken by cmd. I had to change my bindings for i3. Not how you didn't described anything being actually "crap" -- just different to what you were used to.

Here's a product for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzjr3kCbJqc Not crap, just different.

Still no argument.

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Post by rikkus »

vivan wrote: post #413

I was one of those annoying Apple evangelists for years. My 2010 MacBook Pro was my baby and I loved it. Eventually it got to the point where I had to replace it (after 7 years!) and when I went to look around at the new MacBook Pro range, I was so disgusted by all the problems that I ended up getting a Dell XPS 13. I consider my original MBP and the following models to be some of the best laptops you could buy at th…

Just curious: What's different about the processors in the current MBPs vs those in the 2015s in terms of how it affects your work - or whatever else you're using your MBP for?
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