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Post by omarforgotpwd » Thu, Mar 22, 2018, 4:07 PM UTC

drdaeman wrote: post #213

omarforgotpwd wrote: post #111

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Security on most mobile devices other than those by Apple is a joke. I understand wanting features that aren’t there, but for me these things are very small and easy to work around relative to the benefits iOS provides: namely that the software is generally advanced and high quality.

So is security on Apple devices, e.g. just recent https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2018/3/21/17147572/a... Remembering that macOS bug with empty password root access, I'd say that Apple security QC had degraded a lot.

True, those bugs are worrying. But I still feel iOS and macOS are the most secure choice because:

1. This incredibly obscure bug (in the sense that I'm surprised someone was able to find this) was found relatively quickly

2. After it was found a fix was developed and tested quickly

3. Once that fix passed QA my devices received a software update over the air and the problem was solved. One of the big problem with other mobile OSs is that the OS updates are often going through the carrier or device manufacturer and it takes time or you don't get it at all.

I don't expect a device that's perfectly secure. I'm sure there are hundreds if not thousands of undiscovered vulnerabilities on the device I'm using to type this to you right now. But that's not the whole picture on security.

Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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Post by wu-ikkyu » Thu, Mar 22, 2018, 4:08 PM UTC

Endy wrote: post #539

wu-ikkyu wrote: post #382

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The documents from the Snowden leaks were illegally obtained/distributed. How long before that type of stuff is censored?

I'm not disagreeing with you, but at the same time, I don't think that likely the first place to release a major government leak is on YouTube or Reddit. There will always be some platform that's "freer" than some others, and there will always be some that are more moderated. This may smack of censorship in some ways, and if it was a government agency, it certainly would be. Unfortunately, the core of the problem tha…

>This may smack of censorship in some ways, and if it was a government agency, it certainly would be

This is a common misconception. Nowhere is it defined that only a government can conduct censorship.

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Post by swalsh » Thu, Mar 22, 2018, 4:12 PM UTC

leetcrew wrote: post #451

swalsh wrote: post #296

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"banning the ownership of guns except for members of the militia " The definition of militia is here: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/246 There are two "militias", the national guard, and the unorganized militia... When I read the Federalist papers, I interrupted it as Hamilton and Jay were trying to describe a defense strategy of the country, which included internal, and external threats. When I read it,…

> Every social service other first world countries have, we can't afford. That is directly a result of our military spending. The US spends a lot on its military, but it's only about 15% of central government spending. When you look at spending as a percentage of GDP, we (3.3%) are not that far off from European powers like France (2.3%) or the UK (1.9%) whose defense we essentially subsidize through NATO. We just ha…

I can't recreate your math, but I don't think that's important for the point.

By your numbers, there's a 1% difference. On the scale of the GDP, that is a HUGE number. I think looking at the absolute numbers matters. Free higher education for everyone would cost $75 billion (according to Bernie Sanders). Trump asked for an additional $116 billion dollars for defense. I don't see the logic in arguing if we can afford $600 billion, and another $116 billion, while at the same time arguing $75 billion is impossible and would bankrupt the country. We're clearly making priorities.

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Post by pasquinelli » Thu, Mar 22, 2018, 4:15 PM UTC

DuskStar wrote: post #485

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what if half the military and all the gun nuts decide this country is for whites only? the people can fight for tyrrant as well as against it.

Well, that would be why we have an amendment to the constitution that says 'the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.' As long as we follow that, guns won't be whites only.

what kind of magical thinking is that, that what the constitution says determines who has guns? anyway, it isn't the point. the point is that the majority are if anything more likely to support a tyrant than not, so the idea that gun nuts will save us from a tyrant they have at least a 50/50 shot of supporting is silly, and that's without considering the possibility that they'll save us from a tyrant who actually isn't a tyrant at all.

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Post by pasquinelli » Thu, Mar 22, 2018, 4:17 PM UTC

prepend wrote: post #358

pasquinelli wrote: post #228

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why not defend yourself with something less likly to accidentally kill some random people?

Why not defend yourself with a towel??

a towel isn't a good defensive weapon. a firearm isn't so good either. it's a great offensive weapon though.

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Post by SlowRobotAhead » Thu, Mar 22, 2018, 4:18 PM UTC

bonzini wrote: post #219

SlowRobotAhead wrote: post #107

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Please man, the pre-Heller 2008 argument of “well regulated” where you need to pretend means “lots of regulations” and not the real meaning of “well trained and in good working order” is tired. Leave that nonsense at Reddit. I used to... I still find it interesting how the “collective right” angle is pushed post Heller and MacDonald with the obviousness that’s always been there of “can you read the rest of the right…

So where's the training?

Are you advocating for government subsidized ammo and training? That's something I could get behind!

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Post by kadenshep » Thu, Mar 22, 2018, 4:18 PM UTC

watwut wrote: post #194

superkuh wrote: post #80

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You have to be the change you want to see. I have no problem with other people holding views which I think are disgusting. The only thing I have a problem with is censorship. H. L. Mencken quote is applicable here, "The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at…

Effectively: I am going to read exclusively what a group of people biased toward racism and sexism writes about history and philosophy etc. Since there is no censorship, that will surely give me objective account of reality, history and science. If you dont take effort to read about history and politology also from people who are not on voat for a reason, you will just close yourself into a bubble. It is not so much…

> Talking about all that as if it would be all just about badly written literature is misleading.

It's dishonest. And they know they're being dishonest.

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Post by FRex » Thu, Mar 22, 2018, 4:18 PM UTC

lettergram wrote: post #482

FRex wrote: post #418

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First of all, ED seems overly focused on USA/West/China, it doesn't list several arson (I assume that's what Fire Emblem means) and stabbing events (Hack'n'Slash) I personally know of. Next, I'm assuming that by "mass shootings" you mean the FPS, Single Player category on there (since the only other FPS aka shootings category is Co-op Mode which seems to be almost exclusively terrorism and gangs, not "common people")…

That's because we allow our citizens to have guns, which by default heavily skew the stats... Perhaps I should just publish some results. Seriously, every time I debate a data scientist I just send them to the data. Heat correlates more with mass murder than anything... Like I don't really get it.

The comment I replied to quoted those stats and said that mass shootings (not murders, shootings specifically) aren't a US specific phenomenon nor linked to gun availability.

While of course no country can ever be mass shootings free and immune to them since a determined person (ISIS, Breivik, etc.) can always get a gun eventually I was just pointing out that based on the cited stats USA is standing out with regards to frequency (even compared to much more populous China, India, EU+UK+Norway, etc.) so there is some US specific phenomenon related to mass shootings (for whatever reason, gun availability, society, heat, magic, that's beside the point I was making).

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Post by SlowRobotAhead » Thu, Mar 22, 2018, 4:22 PM UTC

yequalsx wrote: post #359

SlowRobotAhead wrote: post #107

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Please man, the pre-Heller 2008 argument of “well regulated” where you need to pretend means “lots of regulations” and not the real meaning of “well trained and in good working order” is tired. Leave that nonsense at Reddit. I used to... I still find it interesting how the “collective right” angle is pushed post Heller and MacDonald with the obviousness that’s always been there of “can you read the rest of the right…

I’m not a lawyer, never claimed to be an expert. Heller is a recent ruling. Previous rulings contradict Heller in some aspects. See, the way the Cinstituion is interpreted over time changes. It’s not like we are bound by a ruling for all eternity. The reasoning is not tired. It’s how I interpret the text. Fortunately for your position my interpretation doesn’t matter since I’m not on the Supreme Court. Indeed, even d…

Using words that don't mean what you think they mean is a bad argument.

Sorry, well-regulated means well trained and in good working order.

Militia - is you and I, and anyone else of able body that can fight for defense of self and country.

The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. - that's the part you apparently didn't read. Of all the bill of rights, they all apply to people directly - except of course 2A where you say "people" is collective inexplicably.

Hey, I'm not arguing. Keep using arguments that very old, very tired, well defeated by logic and precedent. It makes my job as someone who cares about civil rights easier.

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Post by TheCoreh » Thu, Mar 22, 2018, 4:23 PM UTC

282883392 wrote: post #413

TheCoreh wrote: post #349

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To be fair, in the U.S. about the same number of people are killed by cars every year. Most people would generally consider cars to be safe. (About 60% of gun deaths are suicides, 30% are homicides, and only 10% are accidental. Unlike with car deaths, where almost 100% are accidental.)

Only ~30% of Americans own guns [1]. Almost all Americans use cars. And most people do not consider cars to be safe. The regulation and training to receive a drivers license is also much more extensive than buying a gun. [1] http://news.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx

These are excellent points. I come from a different cultural background than the US (from Brazil), so in principle I wouldn't be opposed to implementing roughly the same criteria currently applied to obtaining a driver's license to obtaining and carrying a gun.

Here, however, guns have been severely restricted for several years, to the point where I believe it has been counter productive. We did see a decrease in accidental gun deaths, but violent crime and murder rates have increased significantly. Unfortunately, from my observation, the potential threat of deadly force is still a necessary deterrent sometimes.