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Re: WhatsApp co-founder tells everyone to delete Facebook

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Post by Helmet » Wed, Mar 21, 2018, 2:49 PM UTC

dmfdmf wrote: post #328

cabaalis wrote: post #116

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I think the best thing that has come out of the election of Donald Trump is that many people are now excited about the idea of constitutionally limiting the power of the executive branch. That idea seemed to have been forgotten for the past few administrations. Even when I agreed with Obama or Bush, I was very disappointed when they would use innovative methods to single-handedly override the will of congress or the…

The courts need to reign in the use of Executive Orders.

And the Congress needs to reign in the Courts' legislative activism.

Re: WhatsApp co-founder tells everyone to delete Facebook

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Post by ionised » Wed, Mar 21, 2018, 2:50 PM UTC

LeoPanthera wrote: post #321

My extended family is "well distributed", living in three different countries around the world. Facebook has been an essential tool for keeping in touch and keeping track. What do I tell them all to use instead? Migrating to anything else, even if we all agreed, would be a huge pain.

Signal.

It has messaging and video calls.

Re: WhatsApp co-founder tells everyone to delete Facebook

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Post by yters » Wed, Mar 21, 2018, 2:51 PM UTC

anarchy8 wrote: post #549

noetic_techy wrote: post #500

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Its purely Trump hatred driving this. Because Obama doing this in 2012 = Genius. Trump doing this in 2016 = Scandal. I'm a libertarian and yes I threw my vote away on Gary Johnson, but looking at the media landscape, there truly is a backlash against conservatives going on in social media, and this is just part of that. Donald Trump won because fake news... no wait, it was Russia and their abysmal social media spendi…

Please don't spread lies. What the Obama campaign was doing in 2012 was nothing compared to what Cambridge Analytica did for Trump.

What did Obama's campaign do? I remember a lot of news when he was elected praising his revolutionary social network mining team that got out the youth vote. How is this different than what Cambridge Analytica did?

Re: WhatsApp co-founder tells everyone to delete Facebook

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Post by niravs » Wed, Mar 21, 2018, 2:51 PM UTC

dotsh wrote: post #510

Deleted comment.

that's a scam and a fake account.

Re: WhatsApp co-founder tells everyone to delete Facebook

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Post by yters » Wed, Mar 21, 2018, 2:54 PM UTC

chasing wrote: post #542

cloverich wrote: post #534

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So I'm uninformed on the subject -- what are the differences between what Obama and Trump campaigns did with Facebook?

I'll be honest: There's plenty of information out there that will help you make that comparison. But I don't think it's super-useful unless your goal is to participate in these pointless "but Obama/Hillary did it" debates. It's happening now and it happened during the Trump campaign (and others -- one massive difference is that Cambridge Analytica used this data for elections around the world). And you should be ques…

It's bad, but it should be bad uniformly, not just when the president is disliked by the technocrats. Same with the Russian meddling. Both sides of the aisle are in the Russian pockets, but only Trumps' admin gets the focus. If we are going to clean house, we need to clean the whole house.

Re: WhatsApp co-founder tells everyone to delete Facebook

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Post by abiox » Wed, Mar 21, 2018, 2:54 PM UTC

ghthor wrote: post #319

matthewwiese wrote: post #247

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I believe you missed my point. Those that cry foul over those targeted Facebook ads also fail to realize that people were still willing to drink the Kool-Aid. Of course, it would be asinine to paint with broad strokes. But one can't disregard that it takes two to tango in exchanges of ideas and information. Edit: my horrendous spelling

You're implying that we all were conned, yet I'm still a happy supporter of Trump and will continue to be, yet here I am not a redneck, extremely tolerant, not a racist, incredibly kind, etc. Maybe you've been conned on who a Trump supporter is.

> Maybe you've been conned on who a Trump supporter is.

given trump's nature, it's unlikely one who isn't a fan will give much credence to such self-attestations.

for example a trump supporter may say they are "not a racist", but many see that trump supporters simply do not talk about race in the same way, so the expression doesn't mean much.

Re: WhatsApp co-founder tells everyone to delete Facebook

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Post by yters » Wed, Mar 21, 2018, 2:56 PM UTC

hutzlibu wrote: post #447

The big problem with the whole post-privacy thing is in my opinion, that it is asymetrical. I mean, if everybody (could) know everything about everybody else, ok, strange, but fine. But the big powerful players know much more about the private lives of the average citiciens(or also politican), than the Gestapo and KGB could ever dream of, but we know not so much about them. This is very dangerous. As it gives the peo…

Yes, but that is all of modern tech, and people give them their data willingly for the convenience. No one is stopping that any time soon.

Re: WhatsApp co-founder tells everyone to delete Facebook

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Post by CptJamesCook » Wed, Mar 21, 2018, 2:57 PM UTC

anarchy8 wrote: post #549

noetic_techy wrote: post #500

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its purely Trump hatred driving this. Because Obama doing this in 2012 = Genius. Trump doing this in 2016 = Scandal. I'm a libertarian and yes I threw my vote away on Gary Johnson, but looking at the media landscape, there truly is a backlash against conservatives going on in social media, and this is just part of that. Donald Trump won because fake news... no wait, it was Russia and their abysmal social media spendi…

Please don't spread lies. What the Obama campaign was doing in 2012 was nothing compared to what Cambridge Analytica did for Trump.

https://ijr.com/2018/03/1077083-ex-obama-campaign-director-f...

Director of the Obama campaign seems to feel they did very similar things, with the tacit support of Facebook (at least after the fact)

Re: WhatsApp co-founder tells everyone to delete Facebook

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Post by yters » Wed, Mar 21, 2018, 2:57 PM UTC

throwaway613834 wrote: post #374

I wonder if the Americans freaking out about this whole foreign influence thing have any idea what their nation has done to other countries' (both democracies and otherwise). What's happened here is a complete joke in comparison, and everyone is losing their head. Do people have any idea what the modern world has been like?

It's mostly a way of targeting Trump. No one bats an eyelid when Clintons have Russian ties.

Re: WhatsApp co-founder tells everyone to delete Facebook

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Post by efuquen » Wed, Mar 21, 2018, 2:58 PM UTC

propman wrote: post #26

I don't get what changed? We've knows Facebook tracks everything, we've known Google does the same thing. If you've ever developed anything in messenger even today, it's amazing how much information is given. We know all these sites track everything you do outside of Facebook too. Everyone has been trying to get them to stop, we know it's illegal to build a profile on someone but Facebook gets around that by building…

> I don't get what changed?

He made his billions.

I know you mean in a more general sense, but I can't let go of the hypocrisy of this. He sold out millions of users to Facebook, basically the most anti-privacy thing you could possibly do other then just dumping all that information out in the open, becomes incredibly wealthy and now he gives a small amount of that to Signal and is all like #deletefacbook and it's fine? Give me a break.