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Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by stutnh34tnnt »

nxc18 wrote: post #429
jug wrote: post #422

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Yes, one thing that has probably helped Apple is that their business model aligns with what their users want. Not having to be a weasel about it, not forcing users to just have to live with something. Last thing I saw was Microsoft pushing Edge ads from within Windows 10 itself. Ads – in an operating system?!

Apple also advertises their own services in their OS. My iPhone and MacBook spam me with iCloud ads constantly. This isn't really an excuse for MS. Really I'd just like both operating systems to not bug me.

Where? I've been using these products for years and have never seen this. I get (too many) notifications about available updates, but have never seen an ad anywhere on either macOS or iOS from Apple.

Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by vetinari »

jasomill wrote: post #544
vetinari wrote: post #492

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Enterprise edition is not available to non-volume accounts. I.e. not for home machines, not for small businesses. The registry edit is specifically not honored for non-enteprise SKUs.

I’m a single-person sole proprietorship, and I have two seats of Windows Enterprise with Software Assurance as part of an Open Business agreement; “volume” doesn’t imply “high-volume”. Bringing this back to the the story, one is assigned to a Mac Pro, where, per Microsoft’s bizarre licensing terms, it qualifies as an “upgrade” to the bundled copy of OS X (upon which I run it under VMware, permissible via further lice…

Last time I asked, Enterprise SKUs were only available if I took 50+ licenses. Being a single person sole proprietor like yourself, that was obviously non-starter.

Another option was Action Pack, where I would get 10 licenses for a very nice price, with a bunch of other products, but that would be only usable for development or testing, not for production (i.e. not for daily use while running the company).

Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by arthur_pryor »

Raz2 wrote: post #402
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It’s kind of crazy just how many resources of humankind must be expended to make up for obnoxious behaviors, whether it is burning cycles on ad-blockers or cleaning up other peoples’ garbage. For all the power we have expended, humankind could be so much further along than we are. I wish the people who spent energy making terrible ad experiences would just quit their jobs and apply their talents to something of actua…

I worked in ads company. I understood that I was producing waste. But I treated it as a puzzle. Tasks were really challenging and salary was more than average.

how wasteful would your work have to be before the personal satisfaction wasn't enough to outweigh the drain on society as a whole?

i'm genuinely asking, because i'm genuinely curious. i'm lucky enough to get paid decently to work at a job that i believe in, and that's been true of the vast majority of my employment history. but i can think of an e-commerce gig i took that i did not particularly believe in (though i certainly didn't find it immoral), and what was essentially a classed up spam generation gig that i turned down a long time ago (more for the fact that i had a bit of trouble trusting the founder when i pressed him on what equity and future compensation might look like, though i was also rather hesitant to become a spammer, er, direct marketer).

Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by manigandham »

stutnh34tnnt wrote: post #547
manigandham wrote: post #482

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> Personally I prefer to pay someone for a product/service directly. Sure, but the vast majority of users do not want to pay for the vast majority of internet content.

It sounds to me like you're saying that the vast majority of internet content isn't valuable. (And I agree!)

Just because you don't want to pay directly doesn't mean it's not valuable. Value is hard to judge and people will definitely start to care if it all stopped.

Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by qhwudbebd »

acdha wrote: post #158
robert_foss wrote: post #98

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And from being productive!

Details? Unless you’re developing malware or low-level system extensions SIP should have no impact on day to day work.

It breaks all sorts of things, even the version of py2app that Apple themselves ship - but are too lazy to test or read bug reports about for year after year.

Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by vacri »

mcv wrote: post #256
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Wikipedia says that Windows accounts for well over 70% of all desktop use[0], I personally wouldn't call that a 3-way split. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_syste...

I only have a Windows PC for gaming. I'd gladly switch to Linux if all games were also available there. (I tried wine and stuff like that ages ago, but that was just a pain.) Windows has effectively a monopoly on gaming PCs.

Windows also has a monopoly on enterprise and government PCs. There aren't too many 100k-employee organisations out there whose desktop SOE is non-Windows.

Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by sandov »

qznc wrote: post #468
Tenobrus wrote: post #347

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LaTeX and Org mode are much better and more usable than either Office or OpenOffice for me. I haven't needed to do more than copy-paste into Office documents for the last 4 years. Of course, that's not at all relevant for general market share, but there are viable alternatives depending on how technical you are and your exact needs/restrictions/use-cases.

How do you open docx and pptx files other people send you with LaTeX and Org mode? ;)

Sending docx and pptx files, expecting the receiver to be able to open them is wrong, not OP's fault.

Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by vacri »

hungerstrike wrote: post #521
roblabla wrote: post #486

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https://imgur.com/a/TthvX Every OS has this ? I mean, this is literally windows putting ads on the equivalent of the IOS launcher. No OS does that ! I don't really care about the built-in crapware (well, I do, but let's save this for another debate). That the OS actively fights for the user's attention is ridiculous. I don't really mind "ads" for their built-in products. The Edge popup[0] was almost cute, the OneDriv…

Again...at least you can turn off suggestions and you'll never see them again. Apple gives you no choice to even replace certain apps that they desperately want to force onto users!

I did turn off suggestions when I got my win10 PC last year. Went through a couple of articles online, hit a variety of settings... and I still get ads on that box. It's only my gaming machine, so I just gave up on blocking them.

Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by ksk »

kartickv wrote: post #541
ksk wrote: post #363

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The problem is _not_ collecting telemetry on users is a business disadvantage, in todays world. Whether you're a webapp or an OS. I would be willing to send MS that information, but only as an opt-in.

Why do you feel that way? Do you feel tracking whether you prefer to maximise windows is a privacy violation? Or is the objection that your IP address is included when the telemetry is uploaded to Microsoft?

I'm not opposed to it because its MS or because I fear for my privacy. As a purchaser of a product, I don't want to enlist my compute resources to collect information that is of value to the seller - for free. I have already paid my dues, so to speak. Of course, in theory,I could benefit from the telemetry. But that should be my choice, and at the bare minimum, I should have some assurance that any telemetry information I provide, isn't used to simply make me purchase a new product, but to improve the existing product.

Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by ufmace »

sandov wrote: post #557
qznc wrote: post #468

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How do you open docx and pptx files other people send you with LaTeX and Org mode? ;)

Sending docx and pptx files, expecting the receiver to be able to open them is wrong, not OP's fault.

You might be right in a certain philosophical sense, but you're also cut off from communications with 98% of the business world with that attitude.
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