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There is the freedom to negotiate, and the freedom to leave. Comparing it to Stalinism is silly, and surely disrespects the millions of people who genuinely suffered and died under Stalin.
OP's quotation is not speaking of freedom generally , which you are; it is speaking of freedom within the corporation, i.e., you are there and you do not leave. >Comparing it to Stalinism is silly, and surely disrespects No, making a comparison of abstract forms of government is not in any way disrespectful to people who lived under a regime. It can only be construed as disrespectful if you are looking for an emotion…
Outraged about the Google diversity memo?
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Re: Outraged about the Google diversity memo?
#552Great perspective. As a Northern European having dealt with American company ownership I don't think the main problem in Google's case was political correctness but rather a general American problem with how free speech is defined in the US. Freedom in America is always about government NOT doing something, while in Europe government is defined as a protector of these freedoms. This shows up clearly with respect to s…
Not to be adversarial, but this isn't true. Some positive rights, like contract enforcement, are implied/expressed in the US Constitution. Other positive rights (the right to public education, for example) are varyingly guaranteed by individual states in the union, in their constitutions and otherwise.
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> that means that it's a topic that needs to be discussed instead of being censored and the author fired. Here is what CEO said on the about it in his response [1]: "many points raised in the memo—such as the portions criticizing Google’s trainings, questioning the role of ideology in the workplace, and debating whether programs for women and underserved groups are sufficiently open to all—are important topics. The a…
Then perhaps google should not solicit opinions on the matter, as they did in this case?
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#554IMO the best comment from there: Giulio Prisco said... The results of this incident are easy to predict. Now everyone at Google (and everyone in large tech companies, and everyone in academy) knows that they can be fired for expressing opinions that dissent from the party line. Of course they'll shut up for fear of losing their job and the means to support their family. But they won't change their position. If anythi…
I find it disturbing that somebody would even consider switching to the alt-right over this. Do people not have deeply-held beliefs anymore? Personally, that is a line that I would never , under any circumstance, cross, even if I was the one who got fired and blacklisted. It is a non-negotiable position.
I am someone that don't like feminism (but I won't discuss that now).
My political position is kinda anti-authoritarian, and I don't trust corporations, early on my life it was considered left, people would call me anarquist or socialist.
After a while people started to call me liberal, libertarian and minarquist, and call me "right"
And now with the popularity of the term alt-right, I get called alt-right too.
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That was one way to 'become' alt-right, I know another one, sadly a really bad way...
I visit sometimes some anti-feminist forums and whatnot, and I see there LOTS of seething rage, people that have a deep raging hatred against feminism and women. (and if you visit 8chan for example, or voat, you see open racism, anti-religion, etc...)
One day someone made the brilliant decision to create in one such forum a thread where people ended discussing their personal lives... Every single "raging" person were deeply screwed in the past, for example one guy that hated all women were raped when he was a teenager, and when he sought help, people refused, when he sought help from a women shelter, he got raped again. Another guy was being forced to pay for child support for a child that wasn't his, another one had the opposite problem: his ex-wife was a drug addict that cheated on him with a lawyer, the couple took custody of his kids, and made a motion prohibiting both visits and child support, all that he wanted was pay for child support and for his kids to know he cares about them, so that they don't believe he was the one that fled the marriage. Another guy there was in prison for several years due to a false rape accusation, when people found out the accusation was false, he was released, but he still can't find any jobs, and the accuser wasn't punished. And the list goes and goes and goes on... lots of extremely sad stories, it became clear why you can't reason with those people, they had traumas that in a way 'prove' that moderate points of view were wrong, and that only their extremist views (for example raped guy defended that all women should be literally enslaved and used by the state only for breeding and nothing else), can protect them and others from the same fate.
Re: Outraged about the Google diversity memo?
#555It's about time we started considering other, more constructive ways of cleaning up our collective mess.
Re: Outraged about the Google diversity memo?
#556IMO the best comment from there: Giulio Prisco said... The results of this incident are easy to predict. Now everyone at Google (and everyone in large tech companies, and everyone in academy) knows that they can be fired for expressing opinions that dissent from the party line. Of course they'll shut up for fear of losing their job and the means to support their family. But they won't change their position. If anythi…
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#557Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you've removed possible bias from your hiring process, then you have to accept an imbalance is either a result of uneven retention inclusive-or something operating earlier in the process of training your candidates. The point is to remove as many obstacles as possible. We want the best to get the jobs, but if the are barriers based on gender or race or religion that's potentially denying us a brilliant woman, or b…
I wonder, though, how companies' hiring processes alone are supposed to fix the societal biases. Isn't it a false choice when given only the two explanations: A) We fix biases in the workplace/hiring process and get a 50/50 distribution in the workplace or B) There must be biological differences. I'm personally rather convinced of a third alternative: There is some bias and even outright discrimination in some workpl…
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#559Earlier quoted context omitted.
And, of course, there is the freedom to reduce the chances of getting confronted with this issue. Let's see ... How would one do that ... Make sure no women passes any interview. Obstruct women and generally get them out of the team, or at least don't work with them when avoidable. Why ? Because otherwise there WILL be instances, on occasion, where gender either is, or is simply perceived to be the basis for decision…
> So we'll see what we see in every other company now also at Google. No mixed teams. Do folks really believe that's what gender-balanced work places are like? I used to work at a large New York law firm where 40% of the lawyers were women. All of my teams were mixed, and out of happenstance I spent the bulk of my time working for women partners. Nobody was "terrified" because everyone knew how to act like a professi…
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Ok, but agreeing with the infamous memo doesn't make someone a far right extremist. The parent comment suggested it will push them to vote for a harder-line movement but there is a big margin between being opposed to affirmative action and white supremacists.
I absolutely agree that agreeing with the memo doesn't make someone a far right extremist, and I don't believe I ever stated or insinuated that. That's a bit of a non-sequitur, though. This is the exact point I was referring to: they won't change their position. If anything, their position will be radicalized. For example, from classical liberal to alt-right. This is been a common sort of mantra since Trump won the p…
- Pre-election - unsure whether to vote Hillary or Bernie. Trump never crossed my mind.
- The first thing that made me begin to doubt the liberal narrative was the BLM movement. Some of our politicians began legitimizing a movement that seemed based on hypocrisy. I won't go into further detail as to not offend anyone.
- The Hillary email scandal. Others have been prosecuted and convicted for far less. No charges brought onto Hillary. The democratic party was now a criminal, corrupted party in my mind.
- DNC conspires to suppress Bernie Sanders while propping up Hillary. This further solidifies the idea that the democrats are corrupt, criminal party. My mind is made up to vote Trump.
- Videos begin to pop up on the internet of Trump supporters getting chased down and beat up in California. My hatred for the democratic party is solidified. Liberals are now viewed as violent and dangerous.
- I thought Trump had no chance to win the election honestly. Liberal Media gets the polling completely wrong, liberal narative begins to shatter. I begin to see MSM as bias.
- Post election - Liberals collectively freak out. Now that I voted for Trump and he won, I'm now labeled a nazi, racist, sexist, bigot, xenophobe. This is where I begin to see liberals as emotionaly unhinged. I now view conservatives as rational / logical while liberals seem to base everything off of feelings and emotions.
- Post election - Liberal media goes scorch earth with Anti Trump propaganda. I firewall all liberal news sources on my router. Now I'm reading foxnews.com. I discover breitbart and other conservative news sources. I begin watching conservative youtubers such as Ben Shapiro.
- Reddit censorship gets out of control. Conservative view points begin to be surpress. Anti Trump memes all over front page while search algos are tuned to suppress conservative view points. I leave reddit searching for an alternative, I discover Voat.co. At this point I consider my self Alt Lite.
- Democrats focus on the Russian Collusion propaganda and begin an obstructionist tactic to oppose Trump on everything . I beging to see the democrats as a failed party pushing a desperate conspiracy theory.
- Antifa / Liberals begin to silence conservative view points from college campuses. Antifa assaults Trump supporters. The liberals are now a dangerous mob. I beging to fear the mob mentality developing.
- Censorship - Instances of conservative view points being suppressed begin to circle around the internet. This further stokes the hatred for liberal ideology.
- Google Manifesto - Liberals collectively freak out once again. The manifesto seems like common sense, well written. Google fires the engineer that wrote the manifesto. I delete my gmail, switch to duckduckgo, I block youtube on my firewall. I vow to never again use google services. The liberals have gone scorched earth once again. I begin to watch Richard Spencer and I find my self not objecting to his view points. My radicalization is now completed. I'm fully Alt Right.