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Gross. We always talk about gross salary in France.
Yes, we do too. Was just making sure.
France has multiple level of "after-taxes" compared to the US though.
A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France
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Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France
#552Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France
#553Regarding French salaries again : yes they are lower than elsewhere but with some exceptions, French employers are not the problem : they do pay the same price for you as in other European countries, more or less ! The difference is that your average engineer in France costs them around 1.5-2.5 times the total take home pay, because of high, compulsory labor taxes. In exchange, employees get as standard : * a top not…
Update : Thanks for the feedbacks ! 1st update: Included mobile phone + Internet 2nd update: Huge update, completly forgot about one tax on the salary.. ----------------------- I'm French, I can give you some more details. I'm a full stack Ruby Developer, and I work at https://www.talent.io , the first recruitment platform for developers in Europe. (If you're looking to relocate in Paris, London or Berlin, you know w…
Paris is one of the few places I would go out of my way to live in (at least without the current unrest), but the rent really kills it for me. That would be an instant downgrade in life quality that I wouldn't want long term.
Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France
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It's. Not. Free. It's why the salary numbers are what they are.
It's. Not. Free. "Free at the point of delivery". Do you pay to use the highway, or do you drive on the highway for free? If you can use a service without handing over money for the use of that service, it's reasonable to call it "free".
I always found that calling the healthcare "free" in France is a large part of 1) how much people can abuse it and 2) don't appreciate it for its real value.
Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France
#555Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France
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I can not find a quote because the numbers are hidden. But i am in an engineering school, i am in the top 10%, and it is true. There was even a note from the ministry this year asking engineering school to stop the mandatory semester in a foreign university for all engineering student, to try to reduce the drain.
Which number is hidden ? Certainly not proportion of people working outside France (e.g. it took me 2 mins to find the one from my own former school, ~25 %). I am dubious because as mentioned by hiq above, you would need to wait much more than 2 years to figure out who are the "best". Another reason I am dubious is that working in France or at least in a French company is still the best way to climb the hierarchy fas…
> working in France or at least in a French company is still the best way to climb the hierarchy fast when you're coming from X/Central Paris/ Mines de Paris/Telecom/etc...
For those in those French "Ivy league" it makes sense to stay in a non-meritocracy / credentials based company then, but for all other engineering schools, it's a better deal to get a 6 figures salary job in the US, where it's much closer to a meritocracy than in traditional French companies.
In US tech you certainly see some Harvard, Stanford, mit graduates, but also a lot of non ivy league colleges with jobs such as software engineer, program manager, management, etc. One extreme example is Satya Nadella who got his MS from University of Wisconsin. Even if is undergrad degree was prestigious is India, it doesn't have the ivy League "power" similar to a X/Centrale/Mines in France or Harvard in the US in traditional jobs.
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Which provider has those prices?
Free. They are the best. They even offer free roaming in most of Europe! http://www.free.fr
Side note, I ran away from Free, it was not working at all, phone calls cutting all the time, Internet not reliable at all, I went to Sosh for mobile phone and "Orange" for home Internet, I NEVER (not a single one) had 1 small cut. I heavily use both, it's awesome.
Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France
#558Regarding French salaries again : yes they are lower than elsewhere but with some exceptions, French employers are not the problem : they do pay the same price for you as in other European countries, more or less ! The difference is that your average engineer in France costs them around 1.5-2.5 times the total take home pay, because of high, compulsory labor taxes. In exchange, employees get as standard : * a top not…
Update : Thanks for the feedbacks ! 1st update: Included mobile phone + Internet 2nd update: Huge update, completly forgot about one tax on the salary.. ----------------------- I'm French, I can give you some more details. I'm a full stack Ruby Developer, and I work at https://www.talent.io , the first recruitment platform for developers in Europe. (If you're looking to relocate in Paris, London or Berlin, you know w…
Thank you for this very well explained post with all details. I love stuff like this, 0 obfuscation, straight to the point.
So, if you get approximately like 30k free every year, how much time would it take you to buy your own flat and car?
Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France
#559Earlier quoted context omitted.
Update : Thanks for the feedbacks ! 1st update: Included mobile phone + Internet 2nd update: Huge update, completly forgot about one tax on the salary.. ----------------------- I'm French, I can give you some more details. I'm a full stack Ruby Developer, and I work at https://www.talent.io , the first recruitment platform for developers in Europe. (If you're looking to relocate in Paris, London or Berlin, you know w…
Paris is one of the few places I would go out of my way to live in (at least without the current unrest), but the rent really kills it for me. That would be an instant downgrade in life quality that I wouldn't want long term.
It kills me a lot also. I'm planning to buy something this year / next year, I still don't know yet if it's gonna be in Paris or not. For the same price, in Paris I would get a 50m2, while in province (the rest of France), I would have a new 300m2 house with garden. It really kills me also. But you don't have to stop at this detail,
Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France
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As a French living in Paris and having created a company before I'm sorry but some of your points are simply not true and/or not relevant. > $130k in the US [...] vs. $50k Just no, a $130k salary in the US would be at least 70k€ in Paris. In others city it would probably be less but the cost of living would be much less too. > there's even talk of actually forcing men to take paternity leave Just because one organiza…
tokyo has way better access to public transport than Paris. And better quality transport too. Again chauvinism coming out whenever anything is mentioned about France. Paris n est pas le nombril du monde.
I don't claim it's the best of the world but calling it expensive and dreadful if just not the reality. Compared to what I have experienced mostly in Europe I found it good and inexpensive.