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Re: Amazon LightSail: Simple Virtual Private Servers on AWS

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I personally don't use AWS for personal projects because of the lack of a cap. I would rather see my system suspended rather than continue to pay beyond my budget.

I agree. I am currently using Linode, but would move to AWS if they offer a cap. 2 years ago I signed up for the free AWS and forgot about it (didn't use it at all). Ended up costing ~60$ before I found out and since then I've avoided it.

Linode has bandwidth overages, just like LightSail, so I don't see how this compares. You pay more money if your Linode surpasses the quota.

Re: Amazon LightSail: Simple Virtual Private Servers on AWS

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Just to be clear: This service is offered by Amazon/AWS themselves, it isn't a third party. That's a question I had when I first clicked, which is why I am answering it here. One big "gotcha" for AWS newbies which I cannot tell if this addresses: Does this set or allow the user to set a cost ceiling? AWS have offered billing alerts since forever. They'll also occasionally refund unexpected expenses (one time thing).…

There is a way to hack this up, which is probably a bit complex for a single instance, but works:

- Setup a HTTPS endpoint on the server that listens for an SNS notification and performs an action (e.g. backup ephemeral data to S3 and shutdown). I wrote the service in Go and the action is just a shell script but choose your favorite language.

- Setup an SNS subscription pointing to the service endpoint.

- Setup an SNS topic for the message.

- Set up an SNS notification in AWS billing. I use "When actual costs are equal to 100% of budgeted amount".

The problem is that it's necessary to lock down the endpoint listener as it will usually need root access in order to shutdown the machine. This can be done by using authentication on the endpoint, setting up a locked down user to run the service under and granting that user the ability to run /sbin/shutdown in the sudoers file.

There are probably nicer ways to do it, but this does work to limit my spend on each instance.

You can also add AWS API calls to delete any other costly related resources (static IPs, load balancers etc.)

I've been thinking about writing a more modular and robust app that handles multiple instances etc but most of my servers are now in GCE so I don't really have the need.

Re: Amazon LightSail: Simple Virtual Private Servers on AWS

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Just to be clear: This service is offered by Amazon/AWS themselves, it isn't a third party. That's a question I had when I first clicked, which is why I am answering it here. One big "gotcha" for AWS newbies which I cannot tell if this addresses: Does this set or allow the user to set a cost ceiling? AWS have offered billing alerts since forever. They'll also occasionally refund unexpected expenses (one time thing).…

Remarkably spot on! Everything.

Re: Amazon LightSail: Simple Virtual Private Servers on AWS

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Are you sure? Jevons's Paradox is about demand increasing for a resource when it becomes more efficient to use, e.g., someone invents an engine which can go twice as far with the same amount of fuel but instead of halving the demand for fuel the demand actually increases. If I recall, elasticity of demand has to do with the relationship to supply. A very inelastic demand will cause people to consume the same rate no…

Yes I'm sure. When coal becomes cheaper as a fuel (efficiency being one path), if that opens up new applications or use by a broader set of customers, it's no surprise at all that total revenue could go up. As for your example, most sentences are neither true nor false. Nothing interesting has a probability of 0.000 or 1.000. "This sentence is false" is clever use of language, may be interesting to sophomore philosop…

Regarding your question about a paradox, what would qualify to you as "an actual paradox"? What is the definition against which you try a contender? Free free to look it up in a dictionary, but that probably won't help you generate a definition that makes "This statement is false" non-paradoxical. Note also that the etymology of paradox is "beyond strange", so historically the bar for qualifying is simply to be a idea or combination of ideas that is remarkably strange or surprising.

> most sentences are neither true nor false. Nothing interesting has a probability of 0.000 or 1.000.

I'll start by observing that surely you're talking about propositions, not sentences, nor utterances. Or at least you ought to be.

But more significantly, I'll note that most propositions are either true or false (under a given interpretive framework), but that as epistemologically-unprivileged observers, we must assign empirical propositions probabilities that are higher than 0 and lower than 1. Propositions like "I am a fish" or "You hate meat" or "If Rosa hates meat then Alexis is a fish" are either true or false, under any given set of meanings for the constituent words (objects, predicates, etc). I'm curious what probability you think applies to propositions like "2 + 2 = 4" and "All triangles have 3 sides" and "All triangles have less than 11 sides". I think there are very many interesting propositions that differ from these only in degree of complexity (e.g. propositions about whether or not certain code, run on certain hardware, under certain enumerable assumptions about the runtime, will do certain things).

Based on your very strange claim that all interesting sentences have non-zero non-unity probability, perhaps you're saying that you find theorems uninteresting, and moreover are only interested in statements of empirical belief, such as "I put the odds of the sun failing to rise tomorrow lower than one in a billion." In that case, I cannot imagine what statement interest would qualify as a paradox, except perhaps insofar as some empirical statements of belief are "beyond strange".

"This sentence is false" is a paradox under pretty much everyone's notion of a paradox.

Re: Amazon LightSail: Simple Virtual Private Servers on AWS

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I just ran speedtest.net on a $5/mo 512MB DigitalOcean droplet in the San Francisco (SFO1) datacenter.

    ~ speedtest-cli
    Retrieving speedtest.net configuration...
    Testing from DigitalOcean (192.241.229.48)...
    Retrieving speedtest.net server list...
    Selecting best server based on ping...
    Hosted by Monkey Brains (San Francisco, CA) [5.93 km]: 2.132 ms
    Testing download
    Download: 921.09 Mbit/s
    Testing upload
    Upload: 705.31 Mbit/s
Can anybody run speedtest-cli[1] on a 512MB LightSail instance to compare network throughput?

[1] https://github.com/sivel/speedtest-cli

Re: Amazon LightSail: Simple Virtual Private Servers on AWS

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"and it's _clearly_ not a high priority for Amazon to complete for the pennies a month available in the race-to-the-bottom webhosting that people like GoDaddy sell for $12/year." Except that that's what this announcement is. Which makes me think this may be AZON's fix to runaway billing - if you don't have the resources to pay for mistakes[1], stay in the per-month kiddie pool and don't play with the heavy machinery.…

I'd guess it's more to scoop up mindshare and make getting started easier, which almost assuredly leads to future upsells. That developer who starts prototyping a project on AWS instead of DigitalOcean now might make them $$$$ they otherwise wouldn't have down the line when that person needs to scale and doesn't want the huge pain of switching providers.

I don't disagree with your details, but you're arguing in a circle (here and in another similar comment).

Let's assume, based on the evidence at hand, that Amazon is rolling out Amazon Lightsail, and that as such, they're willing to do work (create business plans and write software) to court the $5/month market. In that case, it's a relevant comment for people to write "I can afford $5/month, or even $20, but I can't afford unlimited liability, even with what I know about AWS customer service, so I cannot use this product." It's relevant because it suggests that there's anxiety that is preventing uptake, which can be solved by a combination of writing software and internally committing themselves to eat the loss if the software is imperfect (as others have said, stopping service actually-on-time is actually harder than it sounds, but the provider can always just eat the loss, invisibly to the seller).

Your (probably-correct) observation that Amazon doesn't really care about the penny-ante user's money (in the short term) is beside the point.

Re: Amazon LightSail: Simple Virtual Private Servers on AWS

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I just created two 512MB Ubuntu instances and here are my thoughts. (+ indicates positive, - indicates negative, ? question) + You can use private networking for cross-instance communication. + You can even communicate with other AWS services by using VPC peering. + Hourly billing. - The firewall rules are not shared. You can't create a single rule and attach to multiple instances. ? What are the network throughput c…

The FAQs mention that the disks are EBS.

Re: Amazon LightSail: Simple Virtual Private Servers on AWS

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post #112

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This is exactly it. 5-6 years ago (I think), I signed up for an aws account under the "free" or educational or something tier. AWS was newish at the time, and I wanted to learn about it. Via some accidental clicking in the control panel (trying to get an IP address for the instance, I think?) I ended up getting a bill from them for over $100. Which, to me at the time, was a huge amount of money. It put me off of AWS…

100%. I can't stand it. It's unlimited liability for anyone that uses their service with no way to limit it. If you were able to set hard caps, you could have set yours at like $5 or even $0 (free tier) and never run into that. One of my services had a Google BigQuery "budget" set at $100. One of our test machines went haywire and continuously submitted a bunch of jobs. The "budget" turned out only to be an alarm, an…

Does this not work as a hard limit for App Engine? [0] It also says here [1] that 'Spending limits are set for paid apps and cannot be exceeded.'

[0] https://cloud.google.com/appengine/pricing#spending_limit

[1] https://cloud.google.com/appengine/docs/quotas

Re: Amazon LightSail: Simple Virtual Private Servers on AWS

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A compelling product. The dashboard looks great. They even replaced the confusing term "user data" with "launch script", but they fall back into it later. SSH in-browser is great too and can be bookmarked/opened in a fullscreen tab. Uploading (instead of pasting) your SSH pubkey is a bit annoying. The docs appear to say you can add these to a VPC but I don't see how to do it. They don't say the SSD storage is local,…

That's truly terrible performance. Don't understand how they advertise SSD storage which is then not local. It's something they should mention clearly. With that performance difference I don't see a reason to prefer them over DO/Vultr/Linode. Even if the CPU is better, disk iops will likely be the limiting factor here.

Re: Amazon LightSail: Simple Virtual Private Servers on AWS

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Why are people comparing CPU Core and Transfers? Come on, this is HN. What CPU, What Speed? KVM / Xen? What SSD? IOPS? etc.

It used to be Linode had the better of everything comparing to DO. Faster CPU even if they are same core count. SSD had much faster IOPS. Less oversold therefore bandwidth were good. And there is no point giving you 100TB transfer per month if you are limited to 10Mbps port speed. Linode ran on shared 40Gbps Port and peak bandwidth were great ( for its price ). Then there is the quality of the Network, ping time between different ISP and Exchanges. Linode has consistently been better then DO. And not it offer double the memory.

But many are worried about Linode's security issues and therefore would not even touch them with a ten foot pole.

I have yet to see quality VPS that offer a whole package better then Linode. Vultr, OVH, Online.net and Scaleway included.

I am hoping Lightsail bring some competition here.

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