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What It's Like To Be Ridiculed For Open Sourcing A Project

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Re: What It's Like To Be Ridiculed For Open Sourcing A Project

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He does. This was pretty nasty. http://shutupmauro.com/

Do you really not see the difference between Linus Torvalds recalibrating a kernel contributor and three nobodies of questionable "conference-fame" picking on a random stranger?

No, I don't see why there should be different standards for civility in the two situations.

Re: What It's Like To Be Ridiculed For Open Sourcing A Project

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Here's David Cramer's notpology: http://justcramer.com/2013/01/24/being-wrong-on-the-internet...

Hate to say it but I think his post is fair and to the point. You don't have to like what he said but he puts it in context and within the realm of Twitter - a 140 limited space of communication. His original tweet was "Ever wanted to make sed or grep worse?". Really. Can we not be critical on the internet any more? And here is EVERYONE saying worse things about him in the comments!? Go look in the mirror people. I'l…

> "You don't have to like that he said but he puts it in context and within the realm of Twitter - a 140 limited space of communication."

This is part of why I dislike Twitter - the 140-char restriction supposedly makes you to the point and concise, but in reality it just encourages snark and imprecision.

It's a world of sound bites, and "Ever wanted to make sed or grep worse" sounds wittier and has more jazz than "I really dislike this open source project and here's why."

That said, if a platform disallows you from being clear and fair to fellow people, don't use it. Ultimately the responsibility to be good to one another is your own to enforce, not Twitter's.

> "Can we not be critical on the internet any more?"

Honestly? No. The internet is full of flippant, callous, outright dismissals. It's reached epidemic scale - and it extends far beyond our little corner of tech. Everyone wants to have their little sound bite hating on something, and it's juvenile.

Given the current state of things, IMO criticism demands a higher standard than ever before. It's not that we can't be critical, it's that we can't be critical without qualifying and substantiating said criticism - there's just too much "hurr this sucks" floating around.

This may necessitate using communications platforms that permit more than 140 chars at a time ;)

Re: What It's Like To Be Ridiculed For Open Sourcing A Project

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My takeaway: "Twitter makes it so hard not to accidentally be an asshole."

It's certainly not Twitter's fault. Lately, the open source community's underbelly has been exposed. "But open source is right and we are the good guys?!", or... "But I know those guys and they are usually really cool!" We want to categorize people as being bad or good, and it messes with our brain when we think we may have to re-categorize. It's more useful to realize that we all have a capacity to do both good and…

> Lately, the open source community's

There is no "open source hivemind" so please don't disparage the millions of open source coders who will never make the frontpage of HN by lumping the entire conglomerate into one community.

Re: What It's Like To Be Ridiculed For Open Sourcing A Project

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Twitter isn't coming up to anyone, twisting their arm and telling them to be a dick. Lots of people manage to use Twitter without coming across like assholes. If one feels that 140 characters isn't sufficient to correctly represent one's nuanced thoughts, then don't tweet.

And that's why I don't tweet!

Where's the button to give you 10million upvotes?

Re: What It's Like To Be Ridiculed For Open Sourcing A Project

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I wouldn't be at all surprised if there was a strong undercurrent of misogyny involved here, motivating their incivility and rudeness.

I don't want to be the one to say it, but it hasn't yet been mentioned in this thread. If the author was named Henry instead of Heather, this wouldn't make front page or have a comment thread full of white knights. That doesn't make the critics right in their aggressiveness, and people overall should be nicer.

You have absolutely no way of knowing that this post would not make the front page if the 'H' was for Henry.

That sentiment is a huge pet peeve of mine. Forget the gender of harthur, and look at what's left: someone writes a tool that's useful for them, and thought it would be useful for others (and, based on other comments, clearly it's agreed that it is for some). At least three people publicly take a shit all over said tool because, you know, lolol. Those three people have now been called out, and rightly so.

I don't think those three have been called out because Heather is a woman. I think they've been called out because others can see themselves in Heather's place. I know if I published something I wrote, just a small convenient script I had lying around, I wouldn't feel too good to see it attacked in public. Genuine sympathy can be extended to anyone.

Re: What It's Like To Be Ridiculed For Open Sourcing A Project

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This is a cultural problem. I don't see any reason to believe that this is because she's a she. This kind of horrible arrogant douchebag attitude is just an epidemic. If you are a guy, and especially if you are nobody known, you do not have anything like this recourse.

Re: What It's Like To Be Ridiculed For Open Sourcing A Project

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Here's David Cramer's notpology: http://justcramer.com/2013/01/24/being-wrong-on-the-internet...

This is bound to be an unpopular opinion, but why exactly does anyone have to apologize? He's absolutely right. Criticism comes from every corner, especially in the software world. Your code stands for itself. Simple as that. And I tell this to almost every programmer I work with at some point or another. If they have an emotional response to a code review, or criticism of any kind—"Code is never personal. Whatever I…

> You have to join the discussion like an adult

You don't start "discussion" with "how to make sed and grep worse", you just don't. She (harthur) even attempted to get some real feedback out of the snarky twitter mob, but it turns out that "nothing's _wrong_ with it, but I don't want to build my app on top of others' code who are at this level of understanding".

Re: What It's Like To Be Ridiculed For Open Sourcing A Project

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Here's David Cramer's notpology: http://justcramer.com/2013/01/24/being-wrong-on-the-internet...

This is bound to be an unpopular opinion, but why exactly does anyone have to apologize? He's absolutely right. Criticism comes from every corner, especially in the software world. Your code stands for itself. Simple as that. And I tell this to almost every programmer I work with at some point or another. If they have an emotional response to a code review, or criticism of any kind—"Code is never personal. Whatever I…

While I understand the point you're making, as long as there is a way to deliver criticism while being an asshole and a way to deliver criticism without being an asshole, people who choose the former route are assholes.

I also agree that assholes certainly don't have to apologize, as long as you agree that we're free to carry on considering them assholes.

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Reverse misogyny. Had a man wrote a blog entry about crying due to 'boohoo comments' on the internet would get chastised out of the industry. A woman writes a blog entry about how her feelings get hurt and everyone with a set of swingers breaks down , puts on their big boy/high moral pants, and makes a grandiose apology (via published blog post, rather than private channels, because the fanbase must be informed lest…

The story isn't that someone got offended at constructive criticism. For starters, the criticism wasn't constructive or academic, and the criticized thing was just some little tool in a github repo, not an important physics paper, and the reviewers were just assholes, not brilliant assholes.

It was just bullying. And this is the story. It's true, of course, that a man would not have this recourse. He's expected to "man up". The legs of this story are that lots of people have this terrible attitude, almost everyone has seen it and it is hurting us a lot.

Re: What It's Like To Be Ridiculed For Open Sourcing A Project

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I think you should update your README.md file in order to indicate the proper way of doing things and to discourage the use of it for any other purpose than learning. Ack isn't a "standard unix tool" either. I use it all the time. You're being a presumptuous asshole in telling her to discourage the use of it just because you don't like it. I get that you're trying to be nice. You're not succeeding. You're being the p…

In my work I have always to go from one computer to another one (to analyse software problems). Sometimes I need to ask a developer to come on site to give a look to the behaviour of its code. It occurs very often that very good developers are completely lost when they arrive on a computer where all their marvellous customizations and shortcuts are missing. Many developer are always on the same environment. They can…

Which shell commands you use is a micro-detail. There is a surplus of shell commands, most of the features of which go unused. Meanwhile, some people are coding on Windows or an Apple platform and not using any of this. It really doesn't matter. This is nothing but justifying wanting people to do things the same way you do, without being able to explain why it is actually better.
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