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Steam Frame starts at $1059

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Re: Steam Frame starts at $1059

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Post by MindSpunk »

aidenn0 wrote: post #349
chrysoprace wrote: post #144

Aussies are getting it at a premium, too. USD$1059 (256GB) should be AUD$1483, retailing for AUD$1609 - a AUD$126 premium. USD$1299 (1TB) should be AUD$1819, retailing for AUD$1969 - a AUD$150 premium!

Taxes aren't included in the US prices; I'd have to pay 1138USD for the 256GB model, which is 1593AUD, so it's only a 16AUD premium over where I live.

Australian sticker price includes 10% GST so the correct way to compare is to take the tax free US price, convert that to AUD and add 10%. Applying that process yields $1633 AUD so the sticker price we get is actually better than the US price.

Re: Steam Frame starts at $1059

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Post by throwaway91033 »

SXX wrote: post #524
awakeasleep wrote: post #375

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Maybe I'm hard to please but I would say even the AVP isn't actually suitable for multi-hour text sessions.

I guess from the comments we can draw conclusion that its different to everyone. I had Quest 3 for a few months to play games and I feel okay playing, but every time I tried to open IDE and terminal after 10 minutes my brain just say full stop. I tried different fonts, themes and zoom levels, but it just feel wrong. I feel similar feeling of discomfort as if I try to work on something not in computer in low light in…

> every time I tried to open IDE and terminal after 10 minutes my brain just say full stop.

I'm wondering if it is because the screen was "flat" in front of you and you had no possibility to change your perspective. It would be interesting if the IDE had been in 3D space and you would look at it as if it was on your desk, capturing head movements etc.

Re: Steam Frame starts at $1059

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Post by account42 »

ripdog wrote: post #115
bsimpson wrote: post #94

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Interesting that Alyx is still listed as "Windows only" even though the reviews say it includes a native Linux port: https://store.steampowered.com/app/546560/HalfLife_Alyx/

For good reason. Last time I checked (this year), Alyx crashes Mesa (i.e. your Vulkan layer) when the player enters an in-game load zone. This happens with native linux and the proton windows version.

It doesn't just crash Mesa but freeze the entire GPU last I tried. Kinda surprised that Valve has cared so little to fix this considering how much effort they have been putting in those drivers and into the game in the first place.

Re: Steam Frame starts at $1059

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Post by account42 »

dom96 wrote: post #93
sporp wrote: post #16

Half-Life Alyx is the greatest gaming experience I have ever had the pleasure to witness. I now occasionally VR golf. It's a steep price for a niche with not a lot of games.

It's pretty good, but it would have been good enough as a non-VR title. The thought of digging out my VR headset to play it makes me shudder. I never even managed to finish it, played through most of it and then couldn't bring myself to get my VR headset out again.

I think without the VR-bait parts like the starting room I would consider it to be the worst Half-Life game. There were some people trying to make it run without VR but I don't remember how far they got.

Re: Steam Frame starts at $1059

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Post by psd1 »

ABCRic wrote: post #420
chungus wrote: post #312

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Just echo'ing the other comment. I'm on arch, and with nearly no tinkering my index just works. Only low level knowledge I think would be useful is the different VR runtimes. SteamVR vs Monado

Can you elaborate on what your setup is? I have tinkered plenty and there are multiple issues I'm still dealing with on my Arch machine, despite being on a setup that Valve claims is supported (KDE Wayland, Nvidia), namely: - SteamVR won't see my Index unless I power cycle it - The in-overlay desktop view does not work at all, either shows all black or doesn't render at all, so I can't control my desktop from VR whic…

Not the same person, but in case it helps, monitor dbus for denied flatpak permissions and use flatseal to grant them? (Could try allowing everything in flatseal just to rule it out)

I don't use arch btw, but on fedora i have often found setroubleshoot useful for non-flatpak apps

I'm sorry you're missing out on Alyx - it's not the greatest game ever made, but it's up there.

Re: Steam Frame starts at $1059

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Post by nyanmatt »

throwaway23597 wrote: post #455

Why they decided to include standalone functionality is beyond me. It's a $1000 dollar VR headset. 99.9% of people buying this will already have a beefy gaming setup and will much prefer to stream from that instead of play standalone. You're not traveling with this thing, you're not using it on the go, it's not heavily subsidized like Quest headsets... Including standalone and an SSD and ram and stuff does nothing bu…

The standalone functionality is the selling point for me

Re: Steam Frame starts at $1059

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Post by account42 »

sunaurus wrote: post #296
crooked-v wrote: post #271

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The motion sickness in particular is something that's been mostly solved by using non-stick locomotion, like Gorilla Tag ( https://store.steampowered.com/app/1533390/Gorilla_Tag/ ). Both the 'big name' developers and the various flat-to-VR mod makers still insist on stick locomotion, though, even though that actively makes the experience worse.

Funnily, I always found all the anti motion sickness "hacks" ( especially teleporting for movement) to be the only things that actually caused motion sickness for me when I started out using VR. "Normal" controller movement was never a problem for me, so it was kind of unexpected that the safe mode was actually harder for me. I often wonder how common this is. As in, how many people consider motion sickness in VR a p…

Same here. It was so weird to see all these VR developers claiming you can't have smooth locomotion when that works so much better for me than disorienting teleports where my brain has to rebuilt my frame of reference from scratch every time.

Re: Steam Frame starts at $1059

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Post by wolvoleo »

corysama wrote: post #200
wolvoleo wrote: post #66

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Honestly as a VR enthusiast this is the least interesting feature by far. If I want to game with glasses I'll just use my $200 xreal airs. I do sometimes on holidays using Samsung DeX and a gamepad, and GeForce now. Works well, I played through half of Cyberpunk that way.

But, now you can play through the second half in VR https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXho2LdD1qo A flood of VR mods for popular games have been coming out lately.

Yes I've already played those ports on my quest 3 (streaming). That was fun!

But they were talking about playing on a virtual 2D screen which I have no interest in

Re: Steam Frame starts at $1059

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Post by account42 »

Rohansi wrote: post #392
IshKebab wrote: post #274

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Is that confirmed? Arm devices tend to be awkward to install your own OS on in general. E.g. look at Android phones. I mean Valve definitely are very open-source friendly but I wouldn't just assume.

They don't specifically say you can install your own OS but they have similar wording on the Steam Frame page as their other systems: > Just like any SteamOS device, install your own apps, open a browser, do what you want: It's your PC.

But as gp correctly points out, with ARM there tend to be additional technical challenges for that compared to your normal PC even if Valve does nothing to intentionally lock it down.

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Post by account42 »

m4rtink wrote: post #407
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #353

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> To be clear, you don't have to run things on it, you can stream wirelessly from your PC. But the hardware is adding weight and bulk to something that you really, desperately want to be as small and light and possible.

Well, there are already devices like that (Big Screen Beyond), Valve has a wired headset (Valve Index) - so it makes perfect sense to do something more modern and future proof.

The Index is almost a decade old and has pretty crappy screens compared to what they could use today.
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