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Felony charges for citizen deleting phone data at US Border

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Re: Felony charges for citizen deleting phone data at US Border

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And you still believe you have more freedom than China and Russia.. *thumbs up emoji*

You mean the Chinese who use NK slave labor at their logging camps near the NK border? Is that the China that is more free?

SO you have an issue with prison labor? As an American?

Re: Felony charges for citizen deleting phone data at US Border

#542

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This defeatism is unhelpful. I'll not simply surrender the country that I love, thanks.

Doing nothing is surrender. So what do you propose people do? What are you doing? Is it effective?

> So what do you propose people do?

Vote

> Is it effective?

Obviously yes. Imagine for a second that you're a MAGA supporter, anti-abortion, stick it to the liberals type of person. Would you say that voting has been effective to get the things you care about passed into law (or repealed)?

You absolutely would.

Re: Felony charges for citizen deleting phone data at US Border

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post #540

The decoy passcode feature should boot into a separate partition that looks like a normal phone setup, and during that time quietly erase the user's actual data. They would never have known if it worked like this.

Probably, but it will be more valuable for society for him to be tried and found not guilty, setting a legal precedent.

… that dude probably would have preferred not having that in their life

Re: Felony charges for citizen deleting phone data at US Border

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post #432

If you initiate a wipe before approaching immigration, which swaps the whole phone contents to an encrypted backup that you physically can't decrypt without a key that (say) a friend knows. Then you would be offering immigration the device in an unaltered state between when they request it and when they receive it. Any request for an alternative pass code or whether the pass code given will alter the state of the dev…

How is this legally different from just not unlocking your phone? Which in this scenario seems like it'd be fine.

The worst case of refusing to unlock your phone is that they keep your phone for some days/weeks/months while they investigate.

Re: Felony charges for citizen deleting phone data at US Border

#545
post #189

For exactly the border search scenario, I wish smartphones could be imaged and restored as easily as PCs. Imagine booting the phone from a flash drive, making an encrypted image of the phone on said drive, and writing a fresh OS before reaching the border. There's no deception required to protect sensitive data or avoid the seizure of an expensive phone. Consent to unlocking the phone, refuse to unlock the drive. The…

It'd be less of a hassle to buy a burner phone to travel with. It's not a felony to not bring your main phone when leaving the country.

Re: Felony charges for citizen deleting phone data at US Border

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post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

its only with the benefit of hindsight (and being on the winning side- thus the propaganda was never dispelled) that we consider the stasi and so on the way we do. If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck.. might just be a duck. I don’t believe those living “normal lives” in East Germany or the Soviet era considered the police to be evil and invasive the way we do today.

> I don’t believe those living “normal lives” in East Germany or the Soviet era considered the police to be evil and invasive the way we do today. That's wrong. I am sure you do not speak German, because otherwise you'd have a lot more information available. If you do speak German, listen to Dieter Hallervorden. Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJh9ejnpvFc He explained why he escaped from the DDR. And they AL…

Is that any different to how African Americans feel about the police? Or how Latinos feel about ICE today?

Re: Felony charges for citizen deleting phone data at US Border

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According to the article, he was actually using GrapheneOS and gave the border official the Duress PIN. So I guess technically it was the official that erased the data :-)

He is charged with obstruction. Not "erasing data". Was he intentionally trying to hinder a search that was being legally conducted?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obstruction_of_justice_in_the_...

Re: Felony charges for citizen deleting phone data at US Border

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post #189

For exactly the border search scenario, I wish smartphones could be imaged and restored as easily as PCs. Imagine booting the phone from a flash drive, making an encrypted image of the phone on said drive, and writing a fresh OS before reaching the border. There's no deception required to protect sensitive data or avoid the seizure of an expensive phone. Consent to unlocking the phone, refuse to unlock the drive. The…

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Re: Felony charges for citizen deleting phone data at US Border

#550
post #2

According to the article, he was actually using GrapheneOS and gave the border official the Duress PIN. So I guess technically it was the official that erased the data :-)

A better feature would be a 2nd PIN that unlocks the phone to a secondary profile, which you would leave pretty bare for situations like these.

Or smarter yet, not bare. Looks like a normal phone - innocent-looking vacation photos, innocent-looking social media accounts, innocent-looking email....
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