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US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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Post by mananaysiempre »

walterbell wrote: post #529
mananaysiempre wrote: post #62

So... anybody who was hoping for CXMT (or YMTC) to maybe cause RAM or flash prices to maybe drop, maybe just a bit, pretty please, can go pound sand? (YMTC of course is already on the Entity List.)

> US. has held off adding.. memory chipmaker CXMT Since CXMT was _not_ blacklisted, this is good for global RAM supply.

Not thus far, but I doubt one ever gets off this kind of chopping block once on it, so it seems to be merely a matter of time. It’ll probably take a year or two for CXMT to start producing consumer DDR5 in higher densities, if they even plan to bother, so I wouldn’t bet against a motivated lobbyist getting the axe to swing in the interim.

Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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Post by cedws »

fraXis wrote: post #357
apatheticonion wrote: post #320

I use DeepSeek every day (via VSCode Insiders and Zed Editor). It's very affordable and, while it's slightly behind Claude (not sure how far behind Fable), it suits my working style well. I'm not using unsupervised multi-agent workflows and don't need a library of skills files - I'm writing most of the code and leaning on AI to help with mundane tasks - like; - generating types for APIs - generating boilerplate based…

How are you accessing their API? Through OpenRouter, or direct? Are you using DeepSeek v4 Pro? $2 seems a lot cheaper than my own experience accessing them through OpenRouter for over 100 million tokens, but I am using OpenRouter to access v4 pro.

Ensure you're hitting the DeepSeek provider via OpenRouter - they have the massive cached tokens discount. If you're hitting any other provider you're paying an order of magnitude more.

Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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Post by cedws »

apatheticonion wrote: post #320

I use DeepSeek every day (via VSCode Insiders and Zed Editor). It's very affordable and, while it's slightly behind Claude (not sure how far behind Fable), it suits my working style well. I'm not using unsupervised multi-agent workflows and don't need a library of skills files - I'm writing most of the code and leaning on AI to help with mundane tasks - like; - generating types for APIs - generating boilerplate based…

I'm in favour of sending as much data as possible to DeepSeek for them to train on. I'd happily zip up everything useful I have and send it to them if they asked for it.

Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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Post by myko »

prmoustache wrote: post #490
godelski wrote: post #371

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As an Australian, I'm not sure that I care about the safety of my data when it comes to LLMs. US companies already stole scores of data I'm not sure I understand this. I'm not defending the US, but isn't your data being in more hands worse? Also, isn't Australia in a more contentious situation with China? Them being more allied with the US and all? Not to mention the whole nuclear sub issue. Having data stolen is s…

USA is an adversarial country to everyone in 2026.

even itself!

Given what happened January 6th the unsettling truth is the USA is essentially an occupied nation.

Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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Post by epolanski »

apatheticonion wrote: post #320

I use DeepSeek every day (via VSCode Insiders and Zed Editor). It's very affordable and, while it's slightly behind Claude (not sure how far behind Fable), it suits my working style well. I'm not using unsupervised multi-agent workflows and don't need a library of skills files - I'm writing most of the code and leaning on AI to help with mundane tasks - like; - generating types for APIs - generating boilerplate based…

I can second this. Deepseek is great for mundane work day tasks.

I use it via claude code, just pointing the api to deepseek.

It's also not a clear "Opus 4.8 >> DS 4 Pro", I've done 16 tasks in 4 days across the two, and while Opus was indeed on average better, both models performed well being able to handle most of my workload.

In fact DeepSeek was _significantly_ better on 3 task out of 16 and Opus was _significantly_ better only in 2 out of 16.

So why I still claim Opus 4.8 to be the winner? Because the few times that DS failed or got off the rails, it failed much harder and needed several prompts to be realigned on the actual tasks.

Another thing at which Deepseek is significantly behind is code reviewing. Opus is more intelligent/thorough, Deepseek will sometimes generate bogus or low quality feedback.

And the last thing at which Opus is better, period, is vibe coding. If you want to implement features end-to-end it handles ultracode flows quite better. I don't vibe code at work, but I do so with personal projects.

But the cost concern is real. I've spent sub 2$ in 5 days of work using DS 4 Pro, which is on average just 4 queries to Anthropic.

Give me a slightly better DS 4 (it is still in preview and training isn't finished) and I may ditch Anthropic for good.

Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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Post by deaux »

phendrenad2 wrote: post #537
deaux wrote: post #416

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The US is slowly becoming more like China. Hah, if only. Then at least it would see some of the benefits too. Instead, it's making sure to only copy all of the downsides, with zero of the upsides.

This is the kind of flippant remark that does the gravity of the situation a disservice. Nobody burns witches out of the blue one day, they do it because they figured out that burning witches makes everyone afraid to do anything that could be remotely construed as witchcraft, and they all start being good little church attendees. So I hate to break it to you but you're not fighting powers-that-be who are just bumblin…

> You're fighting powers-that-be who did the analysis and decided that being like China was the right way to go

Not at all. If they decided to be like China, then that would include the benefits. They're nothing like China. Xi isn't siphoning hundreds of billions to his personal account through $XI coin. He isn't giving the reigns of the country to his tech CEO buddies. He isn't destroying scientific institutions and looting the country for personal gain.

I hate to break it to you but this is the kind of surfacelevel comparison that doesn't hold up when considered for more than 2 seconds.

Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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Post by myko »

edelhans wrote: post #513
WarmWash wrote: post #347

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A legitimate legal system with judges who have no obligation to anyone or anything besides the constitution first, and laws second.

And what makes you think that the US still has such a system?

True that it is collapsing which is sad but it does, in part, still function. We are the proverbial frog in the pot.

Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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Post by mystraline »

woadwarrior01 wrote: post #50
mystraline wrote: post #8

Hmm, my VPN provider explicitly has Chinese exit points. And whats funny is I can load AliPay from any CVS. (Like, seriously) You can try to pry Qwen and Deepseek from my Graphene/Linux hands.

What VPN provider is this? I could use it because Chinese users of my apps often complain about not being able to download things from my western hosted servers.

PIA is my VPN vendor. They and Proton both support port forwarding. Port forwarding is a hard requirement of what I do.

And given Proton CEO's support of the US administration (specifically for Vance), I chose to cancel my subscription of 3 years with them.

Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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Post by mystraline »

oefrha wrote: post #430
mystraline wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This person is correct. I pay for 2 servers running in Asia under Alibaba, using my local CVS drugstore. Im in the Midwest USA. Not a single problem at all.

Hmm I have a couple Alibaba Cloud servers located in CN Hangzhou region and I just pay with my U.S. credit card, no Alipay needed. alibabacloud.com is meant for international customers anyway. I’m not sure if aliyun.com accepts international CCs, maybe you’re using that.

I also have at times ordered deliverables on Alibaba (not aliexpress). Being able to send funds in yuan over Ali network solves almost all problems with that.
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