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Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by Meekro »

4er_transform wrote: post #489
slg wrote: post #331

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I don't like how Americans dismiss their own agency in this all. This is not being forced on us by Israel. A huge and underdiscussed reason why the US and Israel have the relationship they do is because of the roughly 100m American Evangelicals that want it that way. That's also why the GOP is seen as the party more favorable to Israel (not that the Democrats are necessarily adversarial, but they clearly aren't as ag…

It’s reminiscent of Dune: - Small devoted religious sect seeds messiah myths in the distant land for generations, so that in their time of need, they can tap of this devotion from “the people in the south” to fight on their behalf

If the Jews invented the idea of Jesus so that they could benefit from an evangelical army 2000 years later, I'd say they've earned it.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by FunnyUsername »

pandaman wrote: post #537
lostlogin wrote: post #6

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Is even dumber than that. Funds for Israel flow. Trump was yelling expletives down the phone at Netanyahu this week. Trump has been leading an Israeli war. It’s dizzying, and it’s almost as though there is a lack of sound minds involved. Has the US ever been easier to manipulate or spy on?

>Has the US ever been easier to manipulate or spy on? Yes, at least nowadays Israel does not try to sink American warships, killing dozens of sailors in the process and then having the US government to cover it up.

It's pretty absurd to think that Israel would intentionally attack a neutral superpower in the middle of a war for its survival, knowing that at best it would have to apologize and pay reparations, and at worst it would be destroyed by a vastly stronger military.

Friendly fire happens all the time; not everything needs to be a conspiracy.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by pandaman »

FunnyUsername wrote: post #542
pandaman wrote: post #537

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>Has the US ever been easier to manipulate or spy on? Yes, at least nowadays Israel does not try to sink American warships, killing dozens of sailors in the process and then having the US government to cover it up.

It's pretty absurd to think that Israel would intentionally attack a neutral superpower in the middle of a war for its survival, knowing that at best it would have to apologize and pay reparations, and at worst it would be destroyed by a vastly stronger military. Friendly fire happens all the time; not everything needs to be a conspiracy.

Can you give an example of a friendly fire on a warship consisting of continuous air and naval attack over the course of two hours? Just one? Friendly fire will suffice, I am not even asking about some other country doing the same to the US.

As for Israel motivation it's pretty obvious why they did it - they wanted to blame the attack on Egypt and involve the US in the war. Though it does not really matter, even you are unable to deny that Israel attacked the US ship, it's an empirical fact.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by YZF »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #238
throwaway534634 wrote: post #134

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> Where you're definitely wrong is on the "diplomatic agreement that worked". Iran continued to enrich violating the agreement... No, actually it is you who is wrong. Iran absolutely complied with the JCPOA. It is after US withdrew from the agreement that they pursued enrichment further.

> Iran absolutely complied with the JCPOA Yup. "The U.S. certified in April 2017 and in July 2017 that Iran was complying with the deal. On 13 October 2017, President Trump announced that he would not make the certification required under the Iran Nuclear Agreement Review Act, accusing Iran of violating the spirit of the deal..." [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_nuclear_deal#Trump_admini...

Wrong. That is not the question. It came to light later that Iran hid sites, activities and materials. The 2017 certification is not relevant. They were still violating it either in letter or in spirit, they had no intent of stopping the pursuit of nuclear weapons, and at the most charitable interpretation (and no way the Iranian regime deserves that) the agreement was time bound and would have expired already.

Why was Iran under sanctions in the first place? Sponsor of terrorism. Oppression of its own people. Messing with Yemen, Syria, Lebanon (and the list goes on). Only in Syria they helped Assad murder 100's of thousands of Syrians. The Yemen civil war. The murder and abuse of their own citizens.

Iran had an easy way of not getting sanctioned. We didn't need the JCPOA. What we needed is Iran to cease the activities for which it was getting sanctioned.

We had a "diplomatic solution for Iran" is total nonsense. Obama messed this up just like he totally messed up the entire middle east. Iran trained and supplied Hamas which led to Oct 7th. Iran trained and supplied Hezbollah. Iran developed and built their ballistic missile program to attack all their neighbors. With what money/resources? With the money Obama gave them in for cheating on this agreement. If you have western interests in mind than the Iranians are laughing at you for being a fool.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

beernet wrote: post #501
stale2002 wrote: post #383

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The vast majority of people in the USA do not want to destroy the state of Israel so I am not sure why you are making some conspiracy about (((zionists))) controlling big tech companies. Basically everyone in the US is a zionist. Especially once you point out that Israel has 200+ nuclear weapons and it would be a horrible idea to try and destroy them.

> Basically everyone in the US is a zionist. What? What kind of world view is that? Surely not a factual one. I have no view here other than what I hear from people and news. What stokes me is that people like you are really shocked and surprised when confronted with the truth.

I have met only a handful of Americans that thinks Israel should not exist. They have all been for a two state solution. Yes, basically everyone in the US is a zionist.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by screye »

noworriesnate wrote: post #147
screye wrote: post #136

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How can a vassal state with 1/60th your GDP 'influence' your nation into a war ? It's a rhetorical question. It can't. Makes the MAGA military look incompetent. The US has a history of botched wars around the globe, most of which have little to do with Israel. If I'm drawing from data, then the Iran conflict is consistent with the post-war military movements of the US. Now that the communists are no more, Israel is t…

Israel obviously influenced American politicians through many avenues, not the least of which is the Epstein blackmail ring.

Ah yes, the nation's most influential sex-trafficker/pimp was a Mossad asset and the $100b budget CIA knew anything about it. They set up the world's most advanced domestic spying system, and the NSA did not flag anything.

You do realize that such conspiracy theories require all 3 of these things to be true ?

1. American elites are totally clueless

2. The CIA is hopelessly incompetent

3. Mossad has compromised every layer of the American military and elite civilian life

Israel obviously has a ton of influence on American elites and politicians. Just the AIPAC donations and the strong representation of Jews in American elite life is proof enough. You don't have to look much further.

It's the unsubstantiated conspiracy theories (often peddled as fact) that me think there is a certain hysteria going on. It's not anti-semitism per se. More so that otherwise respectable people lose all discernment towards unsubstantiated claims when those claims support their biases about the Israel-Palestine conflict.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by [deleted] »

yieldcrv wrote: post #539
afpx wrote: post #530

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You seem pretty upset. But, rest assured that I'm not your problem. And, the Gospel has nothing to do with any of that. True followers of Jesus Christ are just here to love Jesus and love those around them. Anyone can call themselves a Christian. In fact, the bible repeatedly warns about this, and instructs us to test everything. It says one can only discern a true follower of Jesus by their fruits and the company th…

The conditional paths to salvation is a core aspect of Christianity whether your personal journey and house of worship focuses on that or not Evangelicalism is an accelerationist sect to get your savior to come back and bring the most devout to heaven at the expense of everyone else, before allowing the world to get destroyed These are inseparable concepts. You may have simply began identifying as Evangelic just by b…

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Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by afpx »

yieldcrv wrote: post #539
afpx wrote: post #530

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You seem pretty upset. But, rest assured that I'm not your problem. And, the Gospel has nothing to do with any of that. True followers of Jesus Christ are just here to love Jesus and love those around them. Anyone can call themselves a Christian. In fact, the bible repeatedly warns about this, and instructs us to test everything. It says one can only discern a true follower of Jesus by their fruits and the company th…

The conditional paths to salvation is a core aspect of Christianity whether your personal journey and house of worship focuses on that or not Evangelicalism is an accelerationist sect to get your savior to come back and bring the most devout to heaven at the expense of everyone else, before allowing the world to get destroyed These are inseparable concepts. You may have simply began identifying as Evangelic just by b…

That’s quite a response! And, the confidence! I appreciate you, man.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by gunsle »

slg wrote: post #331
throwaway27448 wrote: post #191

I don't think I've ever seen in all of my wide understanding of history, such a tiny state successfully make an empire its vassal. Truly an astounding feat. It would be highly entertaining if it didn't bode poorly for humanity.

I don't like how Americans dismiss their own agency in this all. This is not being forced on us by Israel. A huge and underdiscussed reason why the US and Israel have the relationship they do is because of the roughly 100m American Evangelicals that want it that way. That's also why the GOP is seen as the party more favorable to Israel (not that the Democrats are necessarily adversarial, but they clearly aren't as ag…

There is no where near 100m American evangelicals. There’s less than 60m almost certainly. It doesn’t account for everything.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by nullpoint420 »

andrewinardeer wrote: post #240

Like him or not, Kiriakou has been saying for years that Israel is the biggest threat for spying.

I wanted to like him, but then after watching a few podcast appearances I realized he loves to play every side. He usually just reflects the hosts beliefs back to them.

It also doesn’t help that he’s trying to line up a pardon from Trump, as well.

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