This is shockingly cheap, and by all account it's a very smart model. Is there a US-based provider for DeepSeek V4 Pro that offers a similar cost? I want to use this at work but can't justify sending company data to Chinese servers.
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I'm not sure how much of it is subsidies. If the open weight models are anything to judge by, China is taking price performance seriously, and the US model vendors are looking for performance at any cost. Like any other Pareto optimization, we end up paying 10x more for the last few percent improvement on benchmark scores. Of course, like literally every other time this has played out in computing history, the compan…
It seems to me China is chasing widespread adoption, while the US is chasing the AGI dream.
This is my read as well - Chinese labs don’t really seem to believe in AGI and instead the focus is on optimising the transformer architecture so it can be actually useful for specific tasks, ideally at a low cost
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Handing out lessons in democracy from the record-holder country in foreign intervention ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r... ) had equal civil rights only in the 1960s, pardoned the perpetrators of Jan 6, has its supreme court in entirely political hands, and has the awesomest repressive force in the world, together with the incarcerated population to go with. Maybe I picked like 4 meanin…
Please don't take one sentence out of a larger context and pretend it represents the argument. Which, again, you've managed to completely ignore. The argument, ironically in black and white, so you can sense it, "this isn't a black and white scenario and seeing it as China vs USA blinds you to the complex differences and global geopolitical forces involved." I get that you don't personally like America, for whatever…
Yes, I don't like the US'* self-congratulation we're the good guys-beacon-of democracy bullshit
(The USA, I am fine with the continent of America).
And it's for a reason: I am from one of those countries where US-american meddling buttressed a dictatorship that caused hundreds of thousands of deaths.
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Nothing weird about it. It’s all supply and demand. The US providers are at capacity limits and are increasing pricing as demand increases. The Chinese providers are relatively unknown and not even allowed for a lot of applications. They have to cut the price just to be attractive.
Can they actually make money at these prices?
Why do you think they have to?
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> Like there was something in the American DNA that was lacking in China In most Americans' eyes, unfortunately, there was. It was just known by the name "American Exceptionalism". Yes, it's nonsense, but unfortunately it is nonsense that has historically been used by most empires throughout history, and believed just as fervently by said empires' populi since it's one of the central elements of imperialism as a whol…
The US models are still better though, let's not get carried away. Ours are better, theirs are cheaper. That's how it's always been.
Downvoters are being silly. If you want to make a case for American Exceptionalism being a hoax, that's fine. But don't use deepseek 4 pro (which is at 100 ELO or so below top models) to make that case. You have stronger arguments elsewhere.
Capishe?
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How is it a 'feudal lord'? These are local models.
An API is a local model? https://api-docs.deepseek.com/quick_start/pricing "(3) The deepseek-v4-pro model API pricing will be officially adjusted to 1/4 of the original price after the 75% discount promotion ends on 2026/05/31 15:59 UTC."
You can download the weights and run it yourself if you have appropriate hardware. Same can't be said for Claude Opus or ChatGPT.
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#548China may be subsidizing this for now in a way that US companies can't or won't - but if they keep building power infrastructure and the US doesn't, then it will no longer require subsidy from them. It will simply be absolutely cheaper (including profit margin) to serve tokens in China. China is building for the future, while Western Democracies are afraid of the future, and of their own shadow.
Wasn't it also focused on efficiency way more than the "throw VC money at the issue" Anthropic/OpenAI designs?
Don't follow AI close, but I remember DeepSeek being a "much cheaper" to deploy model for close performance.
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For most people Apple's main selling point is about showing off the cute devices and battery life, but that's not going to play a role when users are free to choose the tool that will call the models.
I’ve never seen anyone show off an iPhone. What a weird take.
That Apple serves as a "Veblen goods" lifestyle brand is well established. Your amusement is what's weird.
Of course people show off their iPhone. It's a big reason of owing one, it's also a big reason behind slight/major redesigns (people are able to show they have the latest model).
Perhaps you take "show off" literally, like someone going "hey, look, I have an expensive phone"?
It's way more subtle than that, only someone totally crash would do it that way. It's done the same way people buy expensive sneakers and clothes, or how people buy Teslas (or used to) and similar stuff. As a consumer identity that signals you afford a higher cost lifestyle.
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> China may be subsidizing this for now in a way that US companies can't or won't They're subsidizing this in many ways - Huawei chips, new DDR5 memory fabs, etc. Ultimately, DeepSeek's architecture is significantly more cost effective than anything from Google, OpenAI, or Anthropic. Presumably, they'll incorporate DeepSeek's MLA* architecture to get all the benefits for next year's releases (if not this year's upcom…
Look up the US deficit- they have been subsidizing everything since the 1980s.
And the "wars for oil" is part of that.