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Re: Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI – actual intelligence

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Post by ACCount37 »

array_key_first wrote: post #522
ACCount37 wrote: post #421

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The scope and scale of the tasks LLMs can be trusted to do without supervision has increased massively in the meanwhile. Of course, it will never be enough. The goalposts will move until we run out of them.

I mean, what's the goal here? AI does everything and then... and then what? We all die? Most of us die except a select few who rule the world (which, by the way, would not include you or me)? The reason we won't let AI run rampant is because it's anti-human. Even if AI can do everything, why would we allow it to? We don't have to do that, that's very much a choice. We're at the point where we have humans advocating n…

The alternative is to let humans do everything. Think about what that entails.

I have seen enough human incompetence that AI incompetence is beginning to look quite favorable. AI performance, at least, goes up generation to generation. If you've ever faced minimum wage workers, you know that they are, at best, consistently the same level of awful.

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Post by watwut »

pfannkuchen wrote: post #406
prewett wrote: post #351

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Religion is a lot broader than Christian fundamentalism and zealots. It's sort of like applied philosophy: how do you live a flourishing life in relationship to other people and to the god(s). Modernity has an implicit materialist worldview (matter is all that is) and an explicit rejection of the divine. However, if matter is all there is, then there is no meaning in the world. This is not a way to flourish in the wo…

The modern west is still very religious, they just switched to a new religion without a mascot. If you don’t believe me, explain to me how human rights, universal equality, democracy etc are based in science. You can’t, because they aren’t. Sorry for blaspheming. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do them, by the way, it just means that it’s our religion to do them.

Religion and values are two different things. Human rights, universal equality, democracy are values, not religion.

They are also result of constant wars, genocide and general destruction. And Europe mainland was war free better place to live when we seek to sort of have those things. They dont even need to be perfect for making life better.

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Post by LordDragonfang »

chabes wrote: post #424
lokar wrote: post #303

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A bit off topic, but about commencement speeches... Marvin Minsky spoke at my graduation. It was around the time when it seemed like genetic therapies might solve all kinds of problems, and there was a big debate, moral objections, etc. Most of the talk was a rambling rant against religion holding us back from scientific improvements to life. It did not go over in the mostly christian crowd. I loved it.

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A glance at Wikipedia shows that this is somewhere between misleading overstatement and gross hyperbole, and under contention besides.

Re: Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI – actual intelligence

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Post by mr_toad »

simonh wrote: post #27
limflick wrote: post #13

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I wonder how Steve Jobs would've reacted to this GenAI boom. He constantly talked about the intersection of Humanities and tech, as well as fostering creativity by pushing people to their limits (for the better or worse), so I don't think he'd be one of those CEOs that's first in line to get rid of human workers as much as possible. Or maybe he would be and I'm just giving him too much credit. On an unrelated note, I…

It's just a broad term for whatever AI integration they put into their various Apps and services. So, a combination of the neural engine stuff they've been doing for years, and integration with white label AI services from Google or OpenAI. Siri is basically unchanged, it looks like they have had serious problems getting LLMs, or generative AI in general to be reliable and 'safe' enough to put their own name on it. B…

Hallucinations and other errors are a real problem. I’ve tried tinkering with Shortcuts (which get you more direct access the models) to generate AI responses to messages and emails, but it’s unreliable. The biggest problem is it has trouble distinguishing between people, confusing me with the person I’m conversing with, or with third parties.

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Post by globalnode »

sweetheart wrote: post #61
globalnode wrote: post #43

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Any why would I want to work as a prompt engineer? or with AI tech at all? when I trained as a software developer using my brain to solve problems with data structures and algorithms, not prompts. I outright refuse to do such a thing.

Okay!

found the prompt "engineer"

Re: Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI – actual intelligence

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Post by mr_toad »

limflick wrote: post #44
simonh wrote: post #27

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It's just a broad term for whatever AI integration they put into their various Apps and services. So, a combination of the neural engine stuff they've been doing for years, and integration with white label AI services from Google or OpenAI. Siri is basically unchanged, it looks like they have had serious problems getting LLMs, or generative AI in general to be reliable and 'safe' enough to put their own name on it. B…

How good is AI integration in Apple products? Did they drop the ball as hard as Microsoft did? I naively assumed a few years ago that Microsoft could pull it off perfectly because they had more than enough in terms of resources & engineers (yes, I was this naive in college)

It’s very limited. Only a few buttons to push, unless you roll up your sleeves. For instance there’s a button to have it summarise an email, but having it search through all your emails requires writing scripts.

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Post by LordDragonfang »

graemep wrote: post #146
whack wrote: post #107

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> They (we) have to believe human brains still have value and find a way out; for otherwise there'd be no point to try anymore. Our value isn't predicated on our utility. The simple fact that we are sentient beings, capable of joy and suffering, gives us value. This is why we continue to support and care for the elderly and the disabled - we value them regardless of any practical utility we may derive from them. If y…

A view that is not shared always by LLM cheerleaders. Part of Sam Altman's defence of the environmental impact of AI is that it is less than that of a human life. "He said it was unreasonable to focus on "how much energy it takes to train an AI model, relative to how much it costs a human to do one inference query." "It takes like 20 years of life and all of the food you eat during that time before you get smart," he…

I think it's a little disingenuous to describe the notoriously-amoral (pathologically dishonest, accused of being a sociopath) CEO of the major AI company as a mere "AI cheerleader". He's not exactly a central example of the category.

Altman is closer to a storybook evil CEO than he is to an average "AI cheerleader".

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Post by keybored »

dijit wrote: post #467
keybored wrote: post #454

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I just proved your point by disagreeing with you. Do you hear yourself? No he’s a Zionist judging by what his positions are; you can’t have so many Zionist opinions and then null and void them by saying “but I am not a Zionist”. > Defend any entity [...] The killed, starved [...] Thousands upon thousands of pro-Palestinian have enough on their minds just lamenting the untold numbers of innocent civilians that Israel…

Disagreeing with me doesn't prove the point. Deciding he's a Zionist based on what you think he believes, rather than what he's actually said on record, that proves it. Come back with receipts or don't bother. And that's the thing isn't it: you're not actually against suffering, you're against suffering by the right people. Klein catches flak for being Jewish and insufficiently hostile, meanwhile the bar for the othe…

> Disagreeing with me doesn't prove the point. Deciding he's a Zionist based on what you think he believes, rather than what he's actually said on record, that proves it.

I’ve judged him to be a Zionist based on what he says. Not hearsay. Curious, I’ve never implied that I merely “think” he believes something—I’ve seen and heard it with my own eyes. Oh well, must be a miscommunication or misunderstanding.

> Come back with receipts or don't bother.

Because you had receipts???

> And that's the thing isn't it: you're not actually against suffering, you're against suffering by the right people. Klein catches flak for being Jewish and insufficiently hostile, meanwhile the bar for the other side is apparently just... existing. That's not a principled position.

All madeup strawman bullshit.

> "Too busy grieving to talk about Hamas", that's exactly how some Israelis feel when they hide IDF soldiers from justice, and I condemn them for it too.

You’re misunderstanding. Many pro-Palestinians solely defend the innocent. They never defend Hamas or any combatants. And what do they get in return for standing up for the massacred innocent? A truckload of shit.

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Post by gmfawcett »

anthk wrote: post #342
F3nd0 wrote: post #143

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> A cynic is a man who knows the price of everything, and the value of nothing. So the opposite of a Lisp programmer then!

A Lisp programmer it's very aware of the value of nil or ().

Look up "perlis epigrams lisp" for the context here. :)

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Post by kneel25 »

akudha wrote: post #192

Wozniak has discussed his personal disdain for money and accumulating large amounts of wealth. He told Fortune magazine in 2017, "I didn't want to be near money, because it could corrupt your values ... I really didn't want to be in that super 'more than you could ever need' category." From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Wozniak Stark contrast to other tech leaders...

So why’d he put his name onto a pump and dump crypto coin then
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