Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think reporting mileage would be one of the only usages for data collection that is ok with me. In some countries there's a SCAM in which the owner or agency lowers the mileage of the car and sell it for much more because of the lower mileage.
It's hard to take any piece of text seriously when it contains all-caps'd emotionally charged words seemingly just to make sure we notice that they're there.
Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid
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Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid
#542> Even after the modem is removed, if you connect your phone to the car via Bluetooth then the car will use your phone as an internet connection and send all the same telemetry data back to Toyota. However, if you use a wired USB connection then it does not do that (see the discussion here and elsewhere), so I exclusively use CarPlay via USB. The problem with this is that both carplay and android auto capture their o…
>if you connect your phone to the car via Bluetooth then the car will use your phone as an internet connection and send all the same telemetry data back to Toyota Source? Can bluetooth devices do that without the user's knowledge?
Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid
#543I have a few year old Volkswagen. I'm security conscious and made sure to disable all the data collection I could find in the companion app, turn off remote access services, dig through the infotainment to turn off what I could, etc. Last year I requested a Carfax on it, and one of the fields in the request was current mileage. I entered an estimate like 75000 miles. On form submission, that field failed validation w…
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Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid
#544Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think this is interesting because it collides my intuition from the pre-adtech world with the post. Surely collecting telemetry on nearly every mile you drive could never be a sensible use of time or money, right? What kind of insanity is that? But then of course I know that every click on every website is recorded for all time and that data must be many thousands of times less valuable.
Worked in enterprise for most of my career, uniformly the business side asks for every single piece of data possible to be collected and kept in case they need it. They basically never need 95% of it and most of it is never looked at again. That 5% that does gets used ends up been collapsed to a single 100,000ft view somewhere that the decision makers in the company can see it and immediately treat as gospel . Which…
Ask me how I know.
Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid
#545Earlier quoted context omitted.
It would be like buying a car from VW while actual nazis were still in charge. All evidence supports Musk being very racist. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2026/04/24/musk-on... https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/feb/12/elon-musk... Elon Musk’s longtime fixation on a white racial majority is intensifying. The richest man in the world posted about how the white race was under threat, made allusions…
Idk, both of my grandfathers turned into ashes in cars developed by VW, seems pretty bold and rude comparasion to supposedly "racist" tweets.
Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid
#546> Even after the modem is removed, if you connect your phone to the car via Bluetooth then the car will use your phone as an internet connection and send all the same telemetry data back to Toyota. However, if you use a wired USB connection then it does not do that (see the discussion here and elsewhere), so I exclusively use CarPlay via USB. The problem with this is that both carplay and android auto capture their o…
And once you've gotten rid of Google and Apple, your telecom company tracks you, your CC payments help track you and even cameras in public do. It's hard to not want to throw your hands in the air screaming "whatever" when almost everything you use in public is somehow used to track you either as you move around, or in the future.
Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid
#547Earlier quoted context omitted.
And once you've gotten rid of Google and Apple, your telecom company tracks you, your CC payments help track you and even cameras in public do. It's hard to not want to throw your hands in the air screaming "whatever" when almost everything you use in public is somehow used to track you either as you move around, or in the future.
Whenever these "privacy concerns" come up, I can't help but remember Elf Sternberg (whatever happened to him?) mentioning in 1998 that online privacy was a lost cause because everything you did was in a database somewhere. The only thing that's changed in the intervening 28 years is that we produce even more data.
He's apparently now better known for other aspects than his insights into large databases!
Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid
#548> Even after the modem is removed, if you connect your phone to the car via Bluetooth then the car will use your phone as an internet connection and send all the same telemetry data back to Toyota. However, if you use a wired USB connection then it does not do that (see the discussion here and elsewhere), so I exclusively use CarPlay via USB. The problem with this is that both carplay and android auto capture their o…
Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid
#549My car, a 2025, was significantly cheaper to insure in terms of liability than my 2019, even though it was 3x (not inflation adjusted) the price, because my current one is full of sensors and advanced evasion, auto-braking etc.
Is it weird to think that the SoS functionality is ALSO priced in? And removal thereof could be problematic?
Kinda like when people don't replace their TPMS sensors. What is insurance gonna say after you had a blow-out, and injured another person because of a flat. The TPMS sensor would've warned you before, and the incident could've been prevented...
Now, apart from all of that, I'm very happy that I can disable all of the data that gets send to the cloud with the press of a button. Good old German privacy laws.
Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid
#550I would like everyone to know that if you have a brand new Kia, the process is even easier. I spent $20 on the Kia service manual access (didn't even know that was a thing until I read OP's post) it finally figured it out. Modern Kias with the CCNC cockpit have a data connectivity unit that exclusively handles cellular. If you can get this unit unplugged, which only requires two Phillips head screws to remove, your s…
If you are considering purchasing a Kia, insist on getting a loaner or a 24 hour test drive. The active driver assistance features are criminally dangerous. Sadly, the current administration is more interested in illegally locking Kia’s engineers in cages than actually enforcing consumer protection or safety regulations. Anyway, avoid them and Hyundai. If you don’t believe me, drive in rush hour for 30 minutes and fr…