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Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by gmueckl »

palata wrote: post #525
gmueckl wrote: post #344

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The EU needs to be more vigilant than ever, though. Russia has been trying to export their nationalistic totalitarianism to the EU for decades and now the US has openly declared a goal of exporting their brand of blind ignorant nationalism to the EU as well. Both influences will boost alt-right parties if successful. The obvious intended outcome for both powers is a EU that is breaking up from the inside. On the posi…

I don't think it's new: dividing Europe makes Europe weaker, so if you are not Europe, it is generally in your interest to divide it. Be it Russia, China or the US. That is also why the nationalists inside of Europe want to be friends with those other players: because if you want to make Europe weaker (because you think you are better off on your own as a European country), then your interests align with those other…

What's new to me is the openness and agressiveness of those attempts. This isn't a quiet power struggle wrapped in diplomatic niceties anymore.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by crote »

frumplestlatz wrote: post #382
Alacart wrote: post #368

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Here is a video of him saying it: https://youtube.com/watch?v=bTm0du4kUH0

Thanks for the context. He’s speaking to evangelical Christians that do not regularly vote, and in the context of instituting voter ID to secure future elections. ID is required to vote in most (all?) EU states.

The issue with voter ID laws isn't with the concept of having to identify yourself at the ballot box, it is with the way it is implemented.

For example, in my EU country I can vote with my passport, my drivers license, or my ID card, and they accept documents which are expired for up to 5 years. For context: this is less restrictive than the documents anyone is technically required to carry every time they leave their home! The number of people who can't meet this requirement is basically zero, and a decent bunch of municipalities offer them for free to poor people.

Meanwhile US has no universal ID system, which allows the pro voter ID groups to carve out a list of "acceptable" IDs which just so happens to be popular with the people that are going to vote for one side of the political spectrum, while excluding the forms of ID which are popular with the other side. And of course it's not just about identification, as they also add a bunch of irrelevant details to the requirements like the information having to exactly match your birth certificate.

Combine that with the failed two-party system where even a handful of votes often completely swings the political landscape and it is pretty obvious what is going on.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by crote »

mrits wrote: post #253
patrickmcnamara wrote: post #238

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Trump 2 is worse than Trump 1 by far from EU perspective. And it also proved that it wasn't a once-off that Americans will vote in someone who threatens to dismantle NATO, invade Greenland, or start trade wars with allies for no reason.

From the a US perspective, EU hate each other and I see no way any temporary cohesiveness will last. Most EU countries are just as likely to elect a Trump in the next decade

In the same way that the US hates itself, yes. How well do the various US states get along? Surely there is absolutely zero tension between, say, California and Alabama?

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by GordonS »

zipy124 wrote: post #521
GordonS wrote: post #318

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> looking at Civo.com for UK presence Hadn't come across Civo. They advertise "transparent" pricing, but I can't seem to find prices for VMs... or anything else! Maybe it's just me, but do you have a link to a pricing page perchance?

In the menu there is the pricing page? URL is /pricing

Huh, I'd swear earlier today that page didn't have any actual prices on it, but it clearly does now, thanks.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by crote »

palata wrote: post #526
j_maffe wrote: post #476

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> Russia has been trying to export their nationalistic totalitarianism to the EU Let's not pretend that nationalism doesn't have deep roots in Europe.

Well of course there is nationalism in Europe. The thing is, it weakens Europe. And nationalists outside of Europe are very happy to help them. Not only Russia: look at Elon Musk and his nazi salute and publicly endorsing neo-nazis in Germany...

The new part is that the nationalists of various countries are now, ironically, banding together in international cooperation.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by doikor »

tracker1 wrote: post #429
englishrookie wrote: post #383

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Well, there are also noises about the SaaS company preferably not being American. Apparently there's a US law that compels US companies to divulge data on their users even if the data is hosted outside of the US. (I'm not sure this wouldn't happen anyway, without such a law.)

Most nations can coerce information from corporate entities within their nation, even information that corporation holds outside said country. To what extents that coercion can hold will of course vary by local laws, customs and the people in charge. The US has a fairly large media footprint, not to mention it's actual physical size and outsized influence even then. So it is more covered and visible. Inside the US, t…

> where national laws and EU laws conflict

EU doesn’t really have laws just directives and regulations it excepts every individual member to implement.

Sometimes there are disputes on the implementations that are then fought over in the eu courts but if the member county really doesn’t want to implement or follow them there really isn’t much outside of withholding funds eu can do. (For example see Hungary under Orban)

EU just doesn’t have the monopoly of violence like the federal government effective has in the US to enforce its will on the member states with force if necessary. EU quite literally doesn’t have a police or military force at all.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by frumplestlatz »

crote wrote: post #542
frumplestlatz wrote: post #382

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the context. He’s speaking to evangelical Christians that do not regularly vote, and in the context of instituting voter ID to secure future elections. ID is required to vote in most (all?) EU states.

The issue with voter ID laws isn't with the concept of having to identify yourself at the ballot box, it is with the way it is implemented . For example, in my EU country I can vote with my passport, my drivers license, or my ID card, and they accept documents which are expired for up to 5 years. For context: this is less restrictive than the documents anyone is technically required to carry every time they leave the…

State ID (usually a driver’s license) is the defacto universal ID system.

It’s not hard to get, and you need it to do everything from filling a scheduled prescription, buying alcohol, entering a bar, flying on a plane, or purchasing cold medicine. You literally cannot function as an independent adult without one.

You also need to show it — along with a second form of ID — to be hired at a job.

Anyone claiming a state ID requirement meaningfully prevents anyone from voting is being deeply unserious.

If they actually believed what they claim, they’d be campaigning to remove the ID requirements that are already pervasive in our daily lives. They are not.

I’ll also note that buying a gun requires not just multiple forms of ID, but also an entire background check. If we can do that for one constitutionally enumerated right, we can damn well require a photo ID to cast a ballot.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by mboehm »

ffritz wrote: post #433
TrackerFF wrote: post #49

For the past days I've been participating(albeit over Teams) in a conference relevant to my industry (intel), basically startups and established companies showcasing their products to a closed audience of EU gov. officials. One thing I noticed right away, is that all companies were asked "Can we fully host this from within EU or our country" from the various people in audience. Every single one. Many of the startups…

I feel this and as a German company, we have our stuff hosted in the EU. But where it becomes pointless to have the host in the EU, is when Cloudflare is a requirement. Since we expose ourselfs through their certificate, we might as well host with a US company. And I’m not aware of a EU Cloudflare competitor with similar WAF offering.

I would try Myra. They are based in Munich.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by pyrale »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #366
andruby wrote: post #179

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The example you mention is a tricky one, ASML is about as European as it is American. It is heavily subject to US export controls because its machines include US components, US software and US IP. They operate multiple R&D centers and factories in the US and employ a lot of US employees (~20%)

> The example you mention is a tricky one... Let me generalise: Does your tech company use CPUs from Intel, AMD or Qualcomm, or NVidia GPUs or memory from SK Hynix, Samsung, or Micron, or harddrives/SSDs from Western Digital, Hitachi, IBM, Toshiba, etc., or motherboards from (any Taiwan manuf.)? Or anything produced by Samsung or TSMC? If yes (1000% of tech companies), then you are potentially subject to the magic wa…

This line of discussion comes up often on HN, and it's really annoying. It's the equivalent of people bringing up nuclear warfare in geopolitics discussions.

Yes, people know we live in a globalized world, and yes, people know the US has ways to pressure Europe. The point of Europe's moves to host in Europe isn't to get immune from foreign influence ; it is to make interference a bit more costly and a bit less effective, in a way that doesn't cripple our society.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by wolvoleo »

FpUser wrote: post #275
wolvoleo wrote: post #146

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I'd never heard of that imprint stuff but that's pretty Draconian yeah. If it will start being required for foreign sites I'll block all German IPs. I avoid doing any business in Germany these days. I tried to get a VPS from Hetzner but they demanded a copy of my ID and didn't accept that I blanked out my citizen number. Which is actually recommended by our national police for identify theft risk. I moved to Scaleway…

I am from Canada and when renting from Hetzner was never asked about personal ID. Maybe because I started few years ago. Never knew about Scaleway. Looked at their website - prices for bare metal seem to be higher than in Hetzner

Yes but hetzner sell a lot of older hardware for bargain basement prices. It's their thing. They're more of a traditional hoster.

Scaleway's compute is more like Amazon EC2.

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