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Re: Gmail registration now requires scanning a QR code and sending a text message

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Why is this inconceivable? I don't know where you live, but the Post Office is extremely cheap and reliable around here. What drives you to pretend that states can't provide services to their people?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HealthCare.gov was not a hard problem and they struggled. Gmail tackles a hard problem that even other large tech companies struggle with.

An excellent example of how not to do a government program!

> On October 1, 2013, HealthCare.gov was rolled out as planned, despite the concurrent partial government shutdown. The launch was marred by serious technological problems, making it difficult for the public to sign up for health insurance.[4] The deadline to sign up for coverage that would begin January 1, 2014, was December 23, 2013, by which time the problems had largely been fixed. The open enrollment period for 2016 coverage ran from November 1, 2015, to January 31, 2016.[5] State exchanges also have had the same deadlines; their performance has been varied.[6][7][8]

> The design of the website was overseen by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services and built by a number of federal contractors, most prominently CGI Inc. of Canada. The original budget for CGI was $93.7 million, but this grew to $292 million prior to launch of the website. While estimates that the overall cost for building the website had reached over $500 million prior to launch[1][9][10][11][12] and in early 2014 HHS Secretary Sylvia Mathews Burwell said there would be "approximately $834 million on Marketplace-related IT contracts and interagency agreements,"[13] the Office of Inspector General released a report in August 2014 finding that the total cost of the HealthCare.gov website had reached $1.7 billion[14] and a month later, including costs beyond "computer systems," Bloomberg News estimated it at $2.1 billion.[15]

Got it. So if you're fighting an obstinate faction that would rather the government not exist than provide services then that can cause issues. Further, contractors will fleece you for everything you're worth. Compare to a successful project like the Post Office that gets pushed through with overwhelming political will and is run directly by a government agency (oddly structured as a government-owned corporation) and then even despite attempts to destroy it it continues to provide good service.

It's not easy; you need someone competent heading it up and setting it up for success. If the Democrats were to propose it in 2028 under president Gavin I would expect it to be a boondoggle. That doesn't change the fact that I want it to be done and done well.

Re: Gmail registration now requires scanning a QR code and sending a text message

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Exactly. Outlook is the main source of deliverability headaches.

Isn't that a good thing? I'm quite happy with Outlook filtering out trash.

In our case, we're a small business, and we don't do email marketing. So I'd say that anything of ours that gets dropped by Outlook isn't trash. The only non-hand-typed email we send are transactional - actually transactional as in "here's your invoice" or "here's you're tracking number".

You know, you could achieve 100% spam filtering by just deleting every email. You wouldn't see any spam at all!

Re: Gmail registration now requires scanning a QR code and sending a text message

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Oh no - you can definitely 100% prove it, this is the direct consequence, the exact intended consequences, of Trump gutting consumer protections - across the board, not only online but with food and laws about not dumping chemicals in rivers. The man is the absolute worse person - unless your a rich guy, who wants to make more money by screwing over people who mostly don't even know it. Anyone who reads this, I dare…

Curb your TDS, this trend has been going on much longer than the bad orange man.

Oh, I was just really upset having found out that the IRS is going to settle Trumps 10 billion lawsuit against the IRS, for releasing his tax returns but showed he payed 0 dollars in taxes - AND, the terms of the settlement are that the IRS cannot investigate his family or any of their businesses in the future.

That is the most corrupt thing a Leader in a western country has ever done in the modern world.

Re: Gmail registration now requires scanning a QR code and sending a text message

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It's not about actual security; it's about the appearance of it. It allows CTOs and such to check a box to say "Why yes, our vendor is secure! Look at all their claims! Look at how many other companies use them!" That's it. Safety in numbers for clueless CTOs.

This is just the new "no one gets fired for using IBM". We need actual liability laws for compute services at this point, and they should pass through every entity between the bits on disk and the end user. Google disappears someone's realtor's corporate email, and it cost the agent a $100K real estate commission? Google and the employer get to pay $50K, plus damages to the customer. Or whatever. The point is not tha…

That regulatory framework would add a lot of cost to providing online services. There would be far fewer people able to use them because companies would pass that cost to their users/customers.

Re: Gmail registration now requires scanning a QR code and sending a text message

#545

People complain a lot about Gmail, but honestly I kind of understand Google's plight here. They've essentially gotten roped into maintaining a huge chunk of internet infrastructure, for free . If they ever shut it down the whole world would end up rioting because it's so widely used. But it's expensive, complicated and time-consuming to maintain - and both a source of and recipient of endless waves of spam and scams.…

> They've essentially gotten roped into maintaining a huge chunk of internet infrastructure, for free

My tears started flowing when I saw this. Shouldn't we pay Google for using _our_ data that it shameless steals ? And I also think that 3 letter agencies do not get the data for free.

Re: Gmail registration now requires scanning a QR code and sending a text message

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Any Gmail person can tell me why Gmail is tolerating Gmail phishing emails that use Google's own services (e.g. https://storage.googleapis.com/savelinge/ ... ? More info here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46665414

They seem unable to prevent phishers from using their acquisition, AppSheet, to send relatively convincing, targeted (to nobodies like me) emails that make it to primary inbox. So, pleas ignored, forward these recruitment scam emails to the legal/fraud/phishing teams of the impersonated brands. For a company without the appearance of caring (in my opinion), perhaps law firm letterhead can encourage necessary prioriti…

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Re: Gmail registration now requires scanning a QR code and sending a text message

#548
to be more precise, it is just replacing the step where instead of entering a 2FA code from your (registered) phone no., it is you who has to send google a text.

had this happen several months ago already when trying to log into my google account (at their local hq!). it is a damn shame that they are happy to use special, 5-6 digit numbers, to send this message. it might incur additional charges, and may not even go through if traveling.

from this and asking to "verify" my age when the google account itself is 20 years old for antigravity, it has been horrible using their accounts.

Re: Gmail registration now requires scanning a QR code and sending a text message

#549

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Also they make it really difficult to mass delete stuff. I'm basically stuck paying for their storage because I don't really have the skills to self host (but I'm working on it!)

They make it impossible to delete stuff if you stop paying! I was on Google Workspace for about 10 years. I moved off their service because the mandatory Gemini price hikes meant that it no longer represented value for money. I get excessive storage utilisation warnings for some shared drives I used to have but because I no longer have a paid up license, I can’t manage shared drives anymore. So I can’t delete them. G…

> I get excessive storage utilisation warnings for some shared drives I used to have but because I no longer have a paid up license, I can’t manage shared drives anymore. So I can’t delete them.

I had the same problem, and when my account was suspended, it was practically impossible to resubscribe because no Workspace plan could accommodate the amount of storage I used.

I'd thankfully managed to transfer out most of my important data elsewhere, so I made my peace with the less important Linux ISOs getting deleted.

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