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VS Code inserting 'Co-Authored-by Copilot' into commits regardless of usage

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Re: VS Code inserting 'Co-Authored-by Copilot' into commits regardless of usage

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Post by zzo38computer »

alemanek wrote: post #409
dmitriv wrote: post #268

I am the person who approved this PR and would like to acknowledge and apologize for the mistake of turning this feature on by default without sufficient upfront validation. There was no ill intent by evil corporation, but rather a desire to support functionality that some customers expect of VS Code w.r.t. AI-generated code. As folks mentioned here - many similar tools do this as well. Obviously, it should not be on…

Changing the default behavior for all of your users with no notification is pretty unforgivable. Even if this feature worked correctly, it obviously doesn’t, this should at minimum be a prompt after upgrade to let the user confirm that this is what they want. But honestly should be opt in for those that want it. To have it silently just start adding marketing copy to git commit messages is pretty bad. To have that ad…

> To have it silently just start adding marketing copy to git commit messages is pretty bad. To have that added text not be visible to the user in the UI so they can remove it before commit is just much worse.

This is one of the problems, but it is not only one. To be better, should be:

1. It should be visible in the UI for entering the commit message, to make it clear what it is doing.

2. It should not add such a thing if the Copilot is disabled. (It is mentioned by dmitriv and would hopefully be fixed soon enough)

I do not use Copilot nor any other LLMs nor VS Code, but if the problems are corrected then I think the feature would probably be reasonable.

Re: VS Code inserting 'Co-Authored-by Copilot' into commits regardless of usage

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Post by dmitriv »

jamesbfb wrote: post #374
dmitriv wrote: post #268

I am the person who approved this PR and would like to acknowledge and apologize for the mistake of turning this feature on by default without sufficient upfront validation. There was no ill intent by evil corporation, but rather a desire to support functionality that some customers expect of VS Code w.r.t. AI-generated code. As folks mentioned here - many similar tools do this as well. Obviously, it should not be on…

I think there’s a few of us who appreciate you being up front. I’d question the intent and why it was a mistake, especially when the commit[0] message reverting said functionality states “widespread criticism” citing this very HN article makes it look seemingly like the revert is due to negative PR opposed to a mistake. [0] https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/pull/313725/commits/1e70...

I am reverting it because there are bug in the feature and it obviously does not work as expected. Any feedback is important, HN or not.

Re: VS Code inserting 'Co-Authored-by Copilot' into commits regardless of usage

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Post by gib444 »

rsynnott wrote: post #26

One fascinating thing about the whole AI phenomenon is how incredibly hostile it is to _standards_. Whether something works properly, or is ethical, or is true, no longer matters at all; all that matters is "pls use our AI". Microsoft spent literal decades rehabilitating their reputation. And then set fire to the whole thing in an offering to their robot gods. And it's not just them. There was a time that Google care…

> Microsoft spent literal decades rehabilitating their reputation

Which literal 20+ year period was that?

Re: VS Code inserting 'Co-Authored-by Copilot' into commits regardless of usage

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Post by therealdrag0 »

artyom wrote: post #286
thiht wrote: post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok but I’ve used VSCode for almost 10 years, got mad at this once, and disabled it instantly. This sucks, but maybe don’t overreact?

I'd like my tools to not have a time-bomb attached to them, no matter if it takes 10 years to explode. And honestly I think this case is just a perpetually clueless manager getting over-joyous with vibecoding (to the point of being marveled at changing two lines of code without blowing everything up). It's probably going to be reverted in the coming days. Which doesn't change the fact that it's a very Microsoft way o…

How is this a time bomb? What was destroyed?

Re: VS Code inserting 'Co-Authored-by Copilot' into commits regardless of usage

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Post by adamddev1 »

I'm so glad I switched to NeoVim. I've got the good LSP and auto-complete stuff, a nicer grepping experience, semantic moving and selecting with treesitter textobjects, and absolutely ZERO LLM AI stuff. (I still use LLMs outside my editor for some searching and questions, but may try to cut that down too.)

Call me a Luddite, but we are up against something extra insidious with this new AI wave, and the cracks of the psychosis are starting to show.

Re: VS Code inserting 'Co-Authored-by Copilot' into commits regardless of usage

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Post by galonk »

freedomben wrote: post #526
dmitriv wrote: post #268

I am the person who approved this PR and would like to acknowledge and apologize for the mistake of turning this feature on by default without sufficient upfront validation. There was no ill intent by evil corporation, but rather a desire to support functionality that some customers expect of VS Code w.r.t. AI-generated code. As folks mentioned here - many similar tools do this as well. Obviously, it should not be on…

I just wanted to say, while I think this feature was a bad idea, I sincerely applaud your willingness to post here, knowing you'll get roasted. Seriously brave and commendable.

They pretended to be fronting up but didn’t respond to anything after that. Doesn’t seem very commendable to me.

Re: VS Code inserting 'Co-Authored-by Copilot' into commits regardless of usage

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Post by ncr100 »

beardbandit wrote: post #415
l2dy wrote: post #389

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Author of that PR doesn't seem to be a Microsoft employee. Keep in mind that anyone on GitHub can create PRs against VSCode.

Author is absolutely from Microsoft https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/pull/310226 https://github.com/cwebster-99

Yep - Says he's got a Microsoft.com email address:

> "feel free to reach me directly (my alias @microsoft.com) or"

Re: VS Code inserting 'Co-Authored-by Copilot' into commits regardless of usage

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Post by Gud »

dmitriv wrote: post #268

I am the person who approved this PR and would like to acknowledge and apologize for the mistake of turning this feature on by default without sufficient upfront validation. There was no ill intent by evil corporation, but rather a desire to support functionality that some customers expect of VS Code w.r.t. AI-generated code. As folks mentioned here - many similar tools do this as well. Obviously, it should not be on…

Nobody wants this shit. There is no timeline where developers want junk inserted into their commit messages.

Re: VS Code inserting 'Co-Authored-by Copilot' into commits regardless of usage

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Post by wetpaws »

danlugo92 wrote: post #319
bitwize wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hackernews used to experience a collective paroxysm of joy every time a new Visual Studio Code dropped. There definitely was a pervasive belief that the Nadella era ushered in a cuddly new Microsoft.

I remember a time, way back, around 2010 maybe?, where Microsoft was referred to as "M$" in this place and generally perceived as an evil corporation o.O

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Re: VS Code inserting 'Co-Authored-by Copilot' into commits regardless of usage

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Post by antonvs »

morpheos137 wrote: post #332
storus wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a complete takeover of technically incompetent management that feels like it can finally execute their ideas to the fullest instead of relying on those pesky swengs with their obstructions, complaints and problems. We'll soon get the management utopia everywhere.

Perennial HN trope: all bad tech evolutions are management's fault. Engineers are flawless paragons of technical purity.

Remind me who makes the final decisions in these scenarios. Also, how do boots taste?
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