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Re: HERMES.md in commit messages causes requests to route to extra usage billing

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Post by AlotOfReading »

0x_rs wrote: post #493

>Thanks for the report! This was an overactive anti-abuse system. Fixed. This is the most interesting line to me. "Anti-abuse system"? I would bet the system is far from being just a conditional on a specific filename. In other words, this supposed anti-abuse system might be far more pervasive without the user's knowledge. And perhaps even more importantly, who thought upcharging instead of blocking is the correct ap…

If I had to guess, this is a continuation of Anthropic's ongoing war to make third party tool usage go through per-token billing, specifically against a tool called Hermes-agent [0]. You can easily imagine why Anthropic might want to silently re-bill a customer violating their silly ToS restrictions and how an LLM told to implement the feature might arrive at this "solution".

[0] https://github.com/NousResearch/hermes-agent

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Post by jorvi »

ipaddr wrote: post #452
jorvi wrote: post #340

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, I meant within! I guess that is ambiguous, I figured within = inside, and outside = expired. I'll edit. Honestly what really egged me on was that I told them I might take them to small claims, and their response was sending a bunch of small claims cases they won.

No one sends you the cases they didn't win and they probably had a lot of court cases.

That's not the point. They were gleeful about their behaviour. Its even more despicable than then faux-kind "oh we are so sorry for your trouble and you are a valued customer, but computer says no."

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Post by AstroBen »

kadoban wrote: post #468
AstroBen wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A real employee (bcherny) read the issue, responded that the bug was fixed, and then completely ignored the request for a refund.

Typically the engineer who's reviewing PRs and fixing bugs is not the one with the "refund" button access. Someone with that access should certainly have jumped on the whole thing though.

Even if this is right, by responding to the public issue here he's taking on some level of customer support. A simple "I forwarded the refund request to the relevant team and you should hear back from them" would be a million times better than ignoring it and closing the issue.

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Post by eudamoniac »

deaux wrote: post #516
yorwba wrote: post #497

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It wasn't flagged. Compare to this comment by the same user that was actually flagged: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47954834 Note the part where it says [flagged] [dead] instead of just [dead].

That seems.. worse? What would've caused this?

I vouched for it, but I wouldn't be surprised if my vouch has been shadow-disabled. It's still dead.

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Post by mcmcmc »

Lerc wrote: post #525
abustamam wrote: post #471

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I agree with you, but I also envy you for having never encountered an AI scam bot (where someone would hack someone's WhatsApp or other account and use an Ai to get money from them, or even do the "hey sorry I missed your call" scam).

Maybe this is a regional thing, I don't think anyone who I have encountered in real life has mentioned anything like this happening to them.

I get “loan advisors” calling me at least 2-3x a day, always different names and numbers, different voices, same message about my supposed loan application and how I’m approved for $10k-60k. Started maybe 6 months ago after I’d been free of spam calls/texts for a few years on my current phone number. This is in the US, assuming my number must have been leaked in one breach or another to get me back on the target list.

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Post by michaelmior »

pluc wrote: post #530
michaelmior wrote: post #523

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The problem in most of those cases is not specifically AI. Many of the issues you cited are related to Anthropic specifically and many could have been avoided with better testing.

Yes, I am assuming the AI/LLM of choice you've implemented in your software engineering org is Claude because as far as I can tell there aren't really alternatives that come close to its quality in software.

We have some very heavy users of Codex in my org and we're very happy with the quality (politics aside).

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Post by evan_a_a »

dijksterhuis wrote: post #481
kryogen1c wrote: post #438

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Sorry this is totally unrelated but it caused me to have an epiphany: Google is not a software, hardware, or SaaS company. They are an ad-funded moonshot R&D incubator, searching only for billion dollar lightning strikes. Every part of their business exists only to broker and sell ads or capture more market share to show ads to or to collect and trade data/Metadata for better ad targeting.

netflix is tv/film licensing. [0] facebook is a people database. meta is more people databases. [1] contracting companies sell additional employee time to other companies. welcome to the epiphany that many tech companies aren’t primarily software focussed. i was lucky to have a lecturer at university point this out to us fairly early on. [0]: they started doing production — but that was just to be able to license mor…

place this alongside the classic "mcdonalds is a real estate investment firm"
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