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Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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I'm not sure how we ever could have expected GitHub to continue with or add quality when being built by the same company that also builds MS Teams. There are clearly the wrong quality levers at work inside Microsoft. Yes, it seemed like Microsoft had a brief interregnum period of about 10 years where they seemed to have a renaissance and a genuine culture change and a concern for quality and initiative seemed to take…

Teams has introduced substantial improvements over the past couple years..

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Honestly the arrogance of their workers are truly astounding. It also tracks that someone with little software experience would become GitHub's staff research engineer. Truly a massive signal that we can't let these companies lead the direction of tech in our country.

The state of HN truly has fallen if people are questioning Maggie Appleton's credentials. Besides, she's working on GitHub Next , not the core product. Sheesh.

I'm aware of who this person is, been following their work since their egghead.io doodle days. What I would never do is put this person in a position involving software research when they were never professionally a software developer nor were they academically trained like one either.

I'm sorry but this is just a perfect encapsulation of why American corporations are brazenly bad and corrupt without actual competition.

This is honestly no different than RFK Jr being the Secretary of HHS. I'm sure if you spoke with him, he'd say he was highly competent at this job too.

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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> This is not good intentioned On what are you basing that? > it's 100% fine (and healthy) to care about things in life. Yes it is and I didn't claim it wasn't, so this is a strawman. There's nothing personally indicting about having low testosterone. It's relatively common and it's potentially a serious medical condition. There is no reason to take offense from this.

Becuase you're associating their reaction to "a serious medical condition" because it is "not normal." I wanted to add a counter to that and say they are very normal and support them rather than suggest they go to the doctor. My assessment of your intentions was wrong, as I can't know that, but I stand by the other two statements.

> Becuase you're associating their reaction to "a serious medical condition" because it is "not normal."

Weak man argument. They said low T is "potentially" a serious condition.

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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> "GitHub only gets better if people who give a shit stick around to make it better" This is true but misleading. Unfortunately. It is a true statement for developers working in GitHub at Microsoft. It's not a true statement for users. There is no avenue by which you make GitHub better by continuing to use it as it has been.

I'd honestly argue the opposite. Staying with an abusive partner is not likely to resolve the abuse, no matter how much you think so. Ghostty and others leaving might be the only way that active users could actively and visibly signal a need for change.

There’s a difference between a relationship with a person and an organization. I think the difference is large enough that the analogy doesn’t really hold.

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

#545

Not surprised, I think I was subconsciously waiting for this as Mitchell has been very vocal about Github on X. They killed a lot of developer goodwill, and I feel this is just a start of the mass exodus. Good luck to the team with migration! (And here's hoping it's ersc :))

> very vocal about Github on X I really wish an open-source developer of his caliber would also migrate to a serious microblogging service which isn't so openly hostile to truth and civility. Ending the sticky network effect of an evil service starts with its biggest, most prolific users migrating away.

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

#546
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It really has been remarkable watching GitHub just crumble as an organization. There's a lot of discussion about why: the switch from being independent to being part of Microsoft, having resources pushed to Copilot instead of core service, the organization structure itself, a reliance on vibe coding, etc etc. Regardless of the reason, it's undeniable that GitHub is facing some serious issues. The unofficial status pa…

> insider perspective on this I do not work at MSFT but I don't feel that I need insider perspective to understand what's going on. GitHub is being managed the way other services get managed once they're bought by big companies. Initially fine, then starts to decline, then eventually craters. Everything becomes the numbers game. Microsoft, Oracle, VMware, CA (where software goes to die), Salesforce, the list goes on.…

It's just beancounters doing what they do best, counting beans and screwing up what was previously alright.

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

#547

I know this is ridiculously dramatic, but its the truth: I actually cried writing this blog post (tears hit my keyboard, I'm embarrassed to say). Nobody should cry over a SaaS, of all things. But GitHub has meant so much more to me than that (all laid out in the post). I have an unhealthy relationship with it. Its given me so much and I'm so thankful for it. But, it's not what it used to be. I don't know. We've been…

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Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Wow. According to the current metric (87.25% uptime), github suffers a partial outage 3h/day. https://onlineornot.com/uptime-calculator/87.25

In their defense, they dramatically "over"-report sev-2/3's (things like, avatar urls are not loading in saudi arabia), which makes their cumulative uptime look much worse than it is. If you filter for major/critical outages, their uptime of core services in trailing 12 months all have two 9's. https://isgithubcooked.com/?severities=major.critical Also, a huge part of their cumulatively-bad availability story is copi…

As someone who relies on it for all of my workflows at a normal job, core functionality issues result in me not being able to get work done on at least a weekly basis reliably at this point, and it's been that way for months.

The things aren't profile pictures not loading in saudi, they're botching merge jobs, git/api operations being down, pull requests not loading, etc. And that's on top of the plethora of UI bugs that have been pervasive for years that aren't blocking functionality.

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

#549

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Honestly the arrogance of their workers are truly astounding. It also tracks that someone with little software experience would become GitHub's staff research engineer. Truly a massive signal that we can't let these companies lead the direction of tech in our country.

The state of HN truly has fallen if people are questioning Maggie Appleton's credentials. Besides, she's working on GitHub Next , not the core product. Sheesh.

Idk. If I learned that the head of design for Github worked as a linux contributor and C developer before taking on that role I would have a similar reaction.

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

#550
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I know this is ridiculously dramatic, but its the truth: I actually cried writing this blog post (tears hit my keyboard, I'm embarrassed to say). Nobody should cry over a SaaS, of all things. But GitHub has meant so much more to me than that (all laid out in the post). I have an unhealthy relationship with it. Its given me so much and I'm so thankful for it. But, it's not what it used to be. I don't know. We've been…

Hi there! Longtime fan and hubber here. It's okay to have emotions. I have similar emotions. I'm GitHub User 22723 which is effectively the same as you (considering there's ~180m GH accounts nowadays) My version of your post reads differently: "GitHub only gets better if people who give a shit stick around to make it better" Walking away would be easy. I felt that way when I left Heroku ~six years ago. I left that jo…

> "GitHub only gets better if people who give a shit stick around to make it better"

It is a megacorp that is mainly in this situation because of its relentless pursuit of exponential growth for the benefit of a very select few to the detriment of everyone else (including GitHub employees such as yourself). The hockey sticks are there, but how they've reacted to them - which is what has lead to this situation - is entirely because of the above. If not for that, it could've reacted to them differently.

It does not deserve to get better.

It would be very good for society if GitHub's market share massively declined, if everyone moved away. It wouldn't be good for you personally, but it would be good for everyone else. There is nothing positive about a single company having access to everyone's code.

Just look at all the tricks you've been playing, automatically opting everyone in to having their code used for LLM training. [0]

GitHub shouldn't get better. It should decline in popularity.

You know full well that it is undeniable that your competitors gaining market share would be good for everyone as a whole, but comp juicy and emotional attachment to people there and the pre-acquisition times where it used to be a great company (those times are not coming back) and your past with them etc.

[0] https://www.theregister.com/2026/03/26/github_ai_training_po...

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