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Re: UAE to leave OPEC

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When you make a ceasefire and then strike first, that’s called being the aggressor. How many civilians has Israel killed since oct 7? When is it enough? Israel killed >50k civilians since October 7 between all the conflicts Revenge is not a justification for destroying civilizations. Israelis also rape, kill, and do other vile things to prisoners, innocent or guilty, who they imprison with or without charge.

> Israelis also rape, kill, and do other vile things to prisoners, innocent or guilty, who they imprison with or without charge. well but do israelis parade their dead rape victims openly? > When you make a ceasefire and then strike first well that's between trump and iran? did netanyahu agree? I agree that netanyahu is being a dick here: he should have focused on iran, instead of invading lebanon. That alone is a hu…

> well but do israelis parade their dead rape victims openly?

Ah, this is where you draw the line?

Re: UAE to leave OPEC

#542

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When you make a ceasefire and then strike first, that’s called being the aggressor. How many civilians has Israel killed since oct 7? When is it enough? Israel killed >50k civilians since October 7 between all the conflicts Revenge is not a justification for destroying civilizations. Israelis also rape, kill, and do other vile things to prisoners, innocent or guilty, who they imprison with or without charge.

> Israelis also rape, kill, and do other vile things to prisoners, innocent or guilty, who they imprison with or without charge. well but do israelis parade their dead rape victims openly? > When you make a ceasefire and then strike first well that's between trump and iran? did netanyahu agree? I agree that netanyahu is being a dick here: he should have focused on iran, instead of invading lebanon. That alone is a hu…

> well but do israelis parade their dead rape victims openly?

1) why is that an important distinction?

2) but since you asked, they do, western media just refuse to show it but all you need to do is follow a bunch of israeli instagram accounts and you'll see more than enough sooner rather than later

Re: UAE to leave OPEC

#543

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> Israelis also rape, kill, and do other vile things to prisoners, innocent or guilty, who they imprison with or without charge. well but do israelis parade their dead rape victims openly? > When you make a ceasefire and then strike first well that's between trump and iran? did netanyahu agree? I agree that netanyahu is being a dick here: he should have focused on iran, instead of invading lebanon. That alone is a hu…

> well but do israelis parade their dead rape victims openly? Ah, this is where you draw the line?

well where do YOU draw the line then?

One side openly tries to do maximum death on everyone including infants (eg. fire random missiles, intifada, and the oct 7th attack)

The other side at least tried their best NOT to attack back (expensive missile defense systems) or at least kill only the militants selectively (walkietalkie boomboom)

I mean, you should be ashamed of even comparing israel vs iran/hamas/etc

Re: UAE to leave OPEC

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post #542

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> Israelis also rape, kill, and do other vile things to prisoners, innocent or guilty, who they imprison with or without charge. well but do israelis parade their dead rape victims openly? > When you make a ceasefire and then strike first well that's between trump and iran? did netanyahu agree? I agree that netanyahu is being a dick here: he should have focused on iran, instead of invading lebanon. That alone is a hu…

> well but do israelis parade their dead rape victims openly? 1) why is that an important distinction? 2) but since you asked, they do, western media just refuse to show it but all you need to do is follow a bunch of israeli instagram accounts and you'll see more than enough sooner rather than later

> 2) but since you asked, they do, western media just refuse to show it but all you need to do is follow a bunch of israeli instagram accounts and you'll see more than enough sooner rather than later

woah... big claims here! maybe you should post source?

Re: UAE to leave OPEC

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That seems rather Whataboutist to me. I never claimed this only ever happens in the Middle East. We are, however, talking about the Middle East, so local examples would seem apposite. You seem to desire to make this conversation so abstract that it becomes about nothing. > resistance to the US-led order magically seems to invite instability Or perhaps 'resistance' is an awfully popular rallying cry for demagogues who…

> I never claimed this only ever happens in the Middle East. you said > Arab democracies are unstable because they will elect Islamists. whereas my claim is that governments (democracies or not) that run afoul of their local hegemon tend to have a short shelf life. this is not unique to US hegemony. see: Brezhnev doctrine (USSR), or the canonical example of Athens and Melos from Peloponnesian war > Rise up for El Gen…

> I'm sorry, you seem triggered by this discussion, it doesn't seem productive to continue on my end.

I suppose shall have to make do without 101-level instruction in Chomskyian anti-Imperialism, woven through with whataboutism and international conspiracies.

> whereas my claim is that governments (democracies or not) that run afoul of their local hegemon tend to have a short shelf life. this is not unique to US hegemony.

Wow, big if true. Someone let Iran know.

How many trillions of dollars and gallons of blood did the US expend to make Afghanistan non-Taliban, or Vietnam non-Communist? And who rules Afghanistan and Vietnam today? You mention the Brezhnev doctrine, and yet literally not one of these countries is Russian-aligned today. The Russian invasion of Afghanistan failed just as hard as the British and American ones, all at the height of those respective countries' powers. Not very powerful, these alleged hegemons.

My overall point is that the Middle East (and Latin America, etc) has many local issues (e.g. corruption, misgovernance, sectarianism, organised crime), and an unhelpful habit of blaming some ill-defined global hegemony for misfortunes that are readily explicable as the consequences of these local phenomena. The US is no innocent lamb, but it does no service to the people of any of these regions to pretend that another hundred years of anti-Imperialist rhetoric will somehow bring benefits that the previous hundred years did not.

In these countries, this brand of tired anti-Imperialism is a figleaf for authoritarians. In the West, it is masturbatory politics for a certain type of narcissistic Westerner with a saviour complex, who fundamentally believes only Westerners have agency in the world, and everyone else are just motes of dust floating in the West's shadow. It's this confluence that results in absolute travesties like Chomsky supporting the Khmer Rouge, a far greater evil than all the worst allegations against America stacked together.

If you want to help the Middle East, get involved in civil society building efforts that help bridge the gap between sectarian communities; support charitable and poverty relief efforts that are not affiliated to the Muslim Brotherhood; get involved in civil rights advocacy on behalf of the oppressed in the Middle East (women, LGBT communities, religious and ethnic minorities, the list goes on); partake in initiatives aimed at tackling corruption, organised crime, etc. Or at the very least encourage and support the people who do these things, rather than regurgitating half-remembered anti-Imperialist tropes from your polsci 101 class, as though that were a contribution of any value whatsoever.

The one thing that will absolutely not help them, at all, is more meandering, false narratives about how they have no agency in the face of shadowy global hegemons, and how should just lie down and wait impassively for some sort of new, more just world to be given to them by their Western betters.

Re: UAE to leave OPEC

#547

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Even when Israel strikes first, someone else started it. Brilliant!

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This sentiment strikes me as somewhat beneath the usual caliber I see here. Perhaps it would serve you well to step away from the keyboard for a while: take a walk, grab a drink at a bar, enjoy a quiet evening, and allow some real-world perspective to settle in.

Re: UAE to leave OPEC

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You don't have to support Iran, to condemn Israel.

Agreed. One doesn’t dictate the other’s signal—step away from the monitor, let the noise fade, and you’ll notice they’re running on parallel tracks.

Re: UAE to leave OPEC

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> 1) The pipeline to Fujairah has capacity of 1.5m barrels per day, i.e. less than hald of UAE's current oil production. They still need Hormuz badly. Not quite. ADCOP was carrying 50% of UAE production (1.5-1.8 million bpd) and is being ramped up significantly. OPEC had limited UAE's output to 2.9-3.5 million bpd thus far and since the conflict UAE has been targeting 5 million bpd. With this announcement the depende…

1) any sources for 'is being ramped up significantly'? To what capacity? 2) how much are you willing to bet? :-) 3) selling them arms and then causing a conflict where they expend those arms is a protection racket, not a help 4) stating claims does not make them true. Is it in their interests for the oil prices to collapse? It is a classical prisoner's dilemma. Coordination helps all of them. Being on their own allow…

You can easily find out all the details you want if you had cared to do your own research from the links/data that i had given you using your favourite search engine+AI chatbot. Instead you are just repeating yourself and expecting to be spoon fed. Moreover you are just spouting your own fanciful opinions ("protection racket"/"oil prices collapse" etc. really?) which have no bearing on reality.

However, for your edification;

The wikipedia page for ADCOP i had given above, lists a whole set of links from where you can get more info. and data. One main source is the website of ADNOC (https://www.adnoc.ae/) who owns/operates ADCOP. The UAE has been calling in loans (eg. $3.5billion from Pakistan), asking the US for money (links given above) etc. all towards having enough to ramp up production to 5 million bpd by 2027. The defence cooperation between the UAE and US is longstanding, with the recent war merely ramping it up. The OPEC/OPEC+ is just a cartel which should have been broken up long ago.

The UAE’s Energy Playbook Is Paying Off Amid Global Turmoil - https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/The-UAEs-Energy-Playbo...

UAE To Hit Its Oil Capacity Increase Sooner Than Expected - https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/UAE-To-Hi...

Will the Iran war end Strait of Hormuz oil supremacy? - https://www.dw.com/en/iran-war-strait-of-hormuz-oil-supply-r...

In bid to bypass Hormuz chokepoint, Gulf countries scramble to ramp up infra - https://archive.ph/Xh1aq#selection-669.0-669.76

Re: UAE to leave OPEC

#550

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> ... bank rolled Pakistan's not party to ... They bank rolled Pakistan's not party to the treaty? Sorry I can't parse this sentence. Did you munge two sentences i.e. Saudi Arabia bankrolled Pakistan's nuclear weapons, and also Pakistan is not party to the treaty?

My bad, it's late in the evening here and I typed something that works when spoken with emphasis and timing (at least in my head). I added quotes, it should say that Pakistan's weapons program is one that is outside the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty as Pakistan is not a party to it.

We all know Israel isn’t party to it either.
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