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Re: I am building a cloud

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Post by ignoramous »

boesboes wrote: post #123

I have mixed feelings about this concept, I agree that the way clouds work now is far from great and stronger abstractions are possible. But this article offers nothing of the sort, it just handwaves 'we solve some problem and that saves you tokens'??? Checking the current offering, it's just prepaid cloud-capacity with rather low flexibility. It's cheap though, so that is nice I guess. But does this solve anything n…

> It's cheap though

As another user notes in this thread, exe.dev isn't that cheap. Their bandwidth pricing is £7/100gb. The lowest compute tier is £20/mo (Fly.io machines/sprites can go for less than £2/mo).

> Anything fly.io also doesn't solve?

exe.dev is comparable to sprites.dev Fly.io launched recently; but with a different pricing model.

David, by the way of Tailscale, themselves were among early users of Fly.io. I read some of David's commentary on "Cloud 1.0" as taking a dig at their friends at Fly.io, too. This is going to be interesting...

Re: I am building a cloud

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Post by necovek »

bdangubic wrote: post #532
necovek wrote: post #531

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my 20+ years in the industry, I've been at one company which really did Agile, and that was the one I started with. Everyone else is communicating they are doing Agile while being very far away from it ;)

if anyone knew what agile is maybe more would have a chance if making it work (it won’t). in my 30* the only “process” that worked and works is “hire the right people and get the F out of the way.”

That's pretty much what agile is :)

Re: I am building a cloud

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Post by daxesh_tech »

dajonker wrote: post #74

> Making Kubernetes good is inherently impossible, a project in putting (admittedly high quality) lipstick on a pig. So well put, my good sir, this describes exactly my feelings with k8s. It always starts off all good with just managing a couple of containers to run your web app. Then before you know it, the devops folks have decided that they need to put a gazillion other services and an entire software-defined netw…

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Re: I am building a cloud

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Post by jcgrillo »

r_lee wrote: post #389
jcgrillo wrote: post #275

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> Management very often trust the sales and marketing departments of big vendors more than their own staff. They're getting kickbacks from cloud vendors. Prove me wrong.

not sure if this is a thing with Cloud vendors, but e.g. in Finance, you'll definitely get the opportunity to call your rep over for free fancy dinners or whatever you want, because those are "customer meetings" better than nothing, I don't blame em.

> better than nothing, I don't blame em.

Money ain't got no owners, only spenders.

Re: I am building a cloud

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Post by fud101 »

radlad wrote: post #348
shimman wrote: post #320

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Call me old fashion but I prefer tools like Dokploy that make deployment across different VPS extremely easy. Dokploy allows me to utilize my home media server, using local instances of forgejo to deploy code, to great effect. k8s appears to be a corporate welfare jobs program where trillion dollar multinational monopolistic companies are the only ones who can collectively spend 100s of millions sustaining. Since mos…

Just as a quick aside, I tried Coolify, Dokploy, Dockge, and Komodo, and if you're trying to do a Heroku-style PaaS, Dokploy is really good. Hands down the best UX for delivering apps & databases. It's too bad about the licensing. (e.g. OIDC + audit logs behind a paid enterprise license.) Coolify is full of features, but the UX suffers and they had a nasty breaking bug at one point (related to Traefik if you want to…

Isn't Dokku a worthy mention anymore?

Re: I am building a cloud

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Post by solatic »

t_sawyer wrote: post #452
stingraycharles wrote: post #2

Potentially useful context: OP is one of the cofounders of Tailscale. > Traditional Cloud 1.0 companies sell you a VM with a default of 3000 IOPS, while your laptop has 500k. Getting the defaults right (and the cost of those defaults right) requires careful thinking through the stack. I wish them a lot of luck! I admire the vision and am definitely a target customer, I'm just afraid this goes the way things always go…

I've run an Openstack cloud. Local to the host NVME's directly attached to VMs is unbeatable. All clouds offer this. But that storage is ephemeral and it was when I implemented it in Openstack too. There's not enough redundancy. You could raid1 those NVME's when before they get attached to a VM and that helps with hardware failures, but you get less of them to attach. Even if you RAID them, there's not a good way to…

> Even if you RAID them, there's not a good way to move that VM to another host if there's a RAM or CPU or other hardware issue on that host.

This is the critical point. All hardware fails eventually. The CPU and RAM are, in a real sense, also ephemeral. The only relevant question is what the risk tolerance of the use-case is. If restoring from async backup is sufficient, then embrace ephemerality and keep backups. If you need round-the-clock availability, pick an architecture that lets you fall over gracefully to another machine, and embrace the ephemerality when you inevitably need to do so.

Re: I am building a cloud

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Post by josegonzalez »

fud101 wrote: post #545
radlad wrote: post #348

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just as a quick aside, I tried Coolify, Dokploy, Dockge, and Komodo, and if you're trying to do a Heroku-style PaaS, Dokploy is really good. Hands down the best UX for delivering apps & databases. It's too bad about the licensing. (e.g. OIDC + audit logs behind a paid enterprise license.) Coolify is full of features, but the UX suffers and they had a nasty breaking bug at one point (related to Traefik if you want to…

Isn't Dokku a worthy mention anymore?

For better or worse, folks _really_ like a free UI. Dokku doesn't offer that (Dokku Pro is paid). With AI increasingly making that sort of thing easier to build - and Dokku being very easy to integrate via MCP but also good for building tools on top of - I'm not actually sure how to proceed with Dokku Pro.

Whether it's a worthy mention or not, I'm not sure. I'd like to think its worthy :)

Disclaimer: I am the maintainer.

Re: I am building a cloud

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Post by blobbers »

ownagefool wrote: post #475
shimman wrote: post #320

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Call me old fashion but I prefer tools like Dokploy that make deployment across different VPS extremely easy. Dokploy allows me to utilize my home media server, using local instances of forgejo to deploy code, to great effect. k8s appears to be a corporate welfare jobs program where trillion dollar multinational monopolistic companies are the only ones who can collectively spend 100s of millions sustaining. Since mos…

I took over tech for a POS company some years ago. They were a .net shop with about 80 developers, less than 200 concurrent connections, 6 figures spend cloud, and 0 nines uptime with a super traditional setup. Point being, it's not the tools the causes the probem.

Read this as a Piece of sh... company. Then I saw response of someone saying they're a POS developer and was like oh I think he means point of sale.

Or that guy is just a really bad programmer.

Re: I am building a cloud

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Post by psviderski »

sgt wrote: post #198
psviderski wrote: post #175

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Yes but at small scale. Myself and a handful of others from our Discord run it in production. The core build/push/deploy workflows are stable and most of the heavy lifting at runtime is done by battle-tested projects: Docker, Caddy, WireGuard, Corrosion from Fly.io. Radboud University recently announced they're rolling it out for managing containers across the faculty which is the most "serious install" I know about,…

Did you improve the security concerns? E.g the way it executes in a `curl | bash` level. I was a bit concerned about that.

Yep, the latest release embeds the install script in the CLI binary instead of using curl | sh, so it's versioned together with the CLI.

Re: I am building a cloud

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Post by simonebrunozzi »

zackify wrote: post #3

That's insane funding so congrats. Just shows I'm the Dropbox commentator. I have what exe provides on my own and am shocked by the value these abstractions provide everyone else!! One off containers on my own hardware spin up spin down run async agents, etc, tailscale auth, team can share or connect easily by name.

> Just shows I'm the Dropbox commentator.

Ha! This made me smile :)

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