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How I write software with LLMs

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Re: How I write software with LLMs

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Post by andrekandre »

k3nx wrote: post #398
jplusequalt wrote: post #320

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>If you can build things, AI coding agents will let you build faster and more for the same amount of effort. But you aren't building, your LLM is. Also, you are only thinking about ways as you, a supposed builder, will benefit from this technology. Have you considered how all previous waves of new technologies have introduced downstream effects that have muddied our societies? LLMs are not unique in this regard, and…

I've struggled a bit with this myself. I'm having a paradigm shift. I used to say "but I like writing code". But like the article says, that's not really true. I like building things, the code was just a way to do that. If you want to get pedantic, I wasn't building things before AI either, the compiler/linker was doing that for me. I see this is just another level of abstraction. I still get to decide how things wor…

  > I'm having a paradigm shift. I used to say "but I like writing code". But like the article says, that's not really true. I like building things, the code was just a way to do that.
i get this; for me i find coding is fun as video games so i don't personally want to turn all code to ai, but what i DO WANT is for it to automate away drudgery of repeating actions and changes (or when i get stuck be a rubber duck for me)... i want to focus my creativity on the interesting parts myself and learn and grow to a better programmer... it may sound crazy but programming is relaxing for me lol

Re: How I write software with LLMs

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Post by jimbokun »

arialdomartini wrote: post #68
akhrail1996 wrote: post #22

Genuine question: what's the evidence that the architect → developer → reviewer pipeline actually produces better results than just... talking to one strong model in one session? The author uses different models for each role, which I get. But I run production agents on Opus daily and in my experience, if you give it good context and clear direction in a single conversation, the output is already solid. The ceremony…

This is anecdotal but just a couple days ago, with some colleagues, we conducted a little experiment to gather that evidence. We used a hierarchy of agents to analyze a requirement, letting agents with different personas (architect, business analyst, security expert, developer, infra etc) discuss a request and distill a solution. They all had access to the source code of the project to work on. Then we provided the v…

Even with humans I’ve found full ownership of a project from architecture to implementation to deployment and operation, produces the best results.

Less context switching and communication overhead. Focus on well thought out and documented APIs to divide work across developers and support communication and collaboration .

Re: How I write software with LLMs

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Post by jimbokun »

titanomachy wrote: post #144
arialdomartini wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is anecdotal but just a couple days ago, with some colleagues, we conducted a little experiment to gather that evidence. We used a hierarchy of agents to analyze a requirement, letting agents with different personas (architect, business analyst, security expert, developer, infra etc) discuss a request and distill a solution. They all had access to the source code of the project to work on. Then we provided the v…

If it could be done with 30 cents of Haiku calls, maybe it wasn't a complicated enough project to provide good signal?

In that case a $12 program is probably too big to meaningfully review. Probably better to have smaller chunks you can review instead of generating one really large program in one shot.

Re: How I write software with LLMs

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Post by rayrayf »

akhrail1996 wrote: post #22

Genuine question: what's the evidence that the architect → developer → reviewer pipeline actually produces better results than just... talking to one strong model in one session? The author uses different models for each role, which I get. But I run production agents on Opus daily and in my experience, if you give it good context and clear direction in a single conversation, the output is already solid. The ceremony…

And also the sales>product>engineering loop. If one can - with all the context - accomplish what the traditional loop is meant to (explore validity, feasibility, and strategic or revenue impact) how do all our jobs change. Know this isn’t new but the organizational dynamics are fun to dive in to.
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