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Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by jesterson »

jarrettcoggin wrote: post #273
jazzpush2 wrote: post #249

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In an interview with xAI I was literally told that certain parts of the model have to align with Elon, and that Elon can call us and demand anything at anytime. No thanks!

From my time at Tesla, this is 100% the case. When Elon asked for something, it was “drop what you are doing and deliver it”, then you got pressed to still deliver the thing you were already working on against the original timeline before the interrupt.

I wonder why this is surprising. In other type of organizations when CEO demands something everyone is usually behaves like naah, screw it, i rather do what i like, isn't it? Or everyone yells yes sir and runs around?

You may not like Elon - I got it, but let's not pretend he is running xAI/Tesal substantially different from competitors.

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by virgildotcodes »

numbers_guy wrote: post #68

Unfortunate. The Grok team built a phenomenal model. I use it all the time and it very often out performs GPT and Claude, on coding and STEM research related tasks. I was part of the beta for a while Grok 4.2 Beta with multi-agents and it was just amazingly good. People aren't using it for reasons other than its capabilities. I mean, I don't think my boss would approve a paid Grok subscription for example.

Have you tried the 5.3 Codex Xhigh, 5.4 Xhigh, Opus 4.6, Gemini 3.1?

All of them (even Gemini, the worst of the bunch) far outclass Grok on everything I've thrown at them, especially coding.

Grok is good at summarizing what's happening on twitter though.

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by gentleman11 »

dgxyz wrote: post #353
jarrettcoggin wrote: post #273

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From my time at Tesla, this is 100% the case. When Elon asked for something, it was “drop what you are doing and deliver it”, then you got pressed to still deliver the thing you were already working on against the original timeline before the interrupt.

Oh I worked at one of them. I found the best thing to do was to ignore the interrupts and carry on until they kick you on the street. Then watch from a safe distance as all the stuff you were holding together shits the bed.

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Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by annexrichmond »

comicjk wrote: post #452
annexrichmond wrote: post #332

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Are really suggesting everything in Wikipedia is truthful, complete, and free of all biases?

Not everything on Wikipedia is true, but the parts Elon Musk hates most are probably true.

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Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by annexrichmond »

hananova wrote: post #464
annexrichmond wrote: post #332

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Are really suggesting everything in Wikipedia is truthful, complete, and free of all biases?

Maybe not all of it, but a vast majority of it is. And almost certainly the parts that drove Elon to slopify it are true.

Citation needed.

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by kstrauser »

Imnimo wrote: post #125

I think the problem for xAI is that it can really only hire two types of researchers - people who are philosophically aligned with Elon, and people who are solely money-motivated (not a judgment). But frontier AI research is a field with a lot of top talent who have strong philosophical motivation for their work, and those philosophies are often completely at odds with Elon. OpenAI and Anthropic have philosophical ni…

I’ve heard the haha-but-serious joke numerous times that you can’t have a security department that’s not trans and furry friendly. Thing is, I completely believe that. Those groups are disproportionately represented among the security community, and I personally would not work somewhere that my friends in those groups would feel unwelcome. That’s a quite common sentiment even among us straight cis non-furry men.

Well, I don’t think it’s a stretch that the kind of highly educated data scientists and engineers who have the experience to work in high-end AI labs also don’t want to work somewhere that their friends and associates would feel unwelcome, let alone have their friends question why they’d be willing to.

Turns out opinions have consequences and freedom of speech goes hand in hand with freedom of association. People have the right to say whatever they wish. Others have the right not to want to work with them.

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by brendoelfrendo »

scarmig wrote: post #470
ryandrake wrote: post #326

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OK, is there a specific example on either the Biden or Gamergate page that is factually incorrect? Or are you saying the entire pages are false?

Wiki's Gamergate opening paragraph: > Gamergate or GamerGate (GG) was a loosely organized misogynistic online harassment campaign motivated by a right-wing backlash against feminism, diversity, and progressivism in video game culture. It was conducted using the hashtag "#Gamergate" primarily in 2014 and 2015. Gamergate targeted women in the video game industry, most notably feminist media critic Anita Sarkeesian and…

Wikipedia's assessment is more accurate. Wikipedia does go on in its second paragraph to explain the context of the start of the campaign, including "The Zoe Post" and the accusations of conflict of interest. But the broader impact of Gamergate was as a misogynistic online harassment campaign, and Wikipedia is correct to make that the central part of its summary. Just because Grokipedia is more reluctant to state a conclusion does not make it less biased.

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Post by 0xpgm »

throw_m239339 wrote: post #463
rishabhaiover wrote: post #36

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These kind of HN submissions test how fair discussions can be here: > Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity. Reference: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

> Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity. That ship has sailed a long time ago, with the approval of the moderation itself.

Yup, since around 2016 HN and other tech spaces got infested with people who cannot separate their political ideology from technical discussions.

When it comes to FOSS they claim that FOSS has always been political to justify the politicization of everything they touch.

Things used to be much better when the people adhered to the age-old wisdom "Keep politics and religion out of the office" and carried this attitude to neutral spaces online.

In part, some of us got into tech because it was one of the places where meritocracy ruled and you could get away from those who thrive by overwhelming others with BS.

I apologize for the rant.

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Post by tmp10423288442 »

kennywinker wrote: post #414
tmp10423288442 wrote: post #342

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> wikipedia trends towards unbiased info through use of the crowd See, this is why people even give a project like Grokipedia the time of day. While in theory anyone can edit Wikipedia, in practice the moderators form a much smaller and weirder cabal, and they reject edits that go against their views. The frustration with the naive assertion that Wikipedia distills the wisdom of the crowds with the reality of Wikiped…

> and they reject edits that go against their views Citation needed. See what i did there ;) They reject edits that go against their views on tone and sourcing not political views that i am aware of - i am sure it happens from time to time but unless there’s a consistant bias in one direction this isn’t a valid criticism of the political neutrality of wikipedia. Even if there is rampant bias in wikipedia, that’s a re…

I would prefer to fork Wikipedia as well, but in practice I don't think that works, given the many failed Wikipedia forks of the past 20 years. On the internet, the only way to get any alternative to a widely-used source like Wikipedia is to use a significantly different approach. Otherwise, you just look like a cheap knockoff, even to people who might otherwise agree with your approach. Worse is better, after all - worse in most ways, but better or different in at least one innovative way.
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