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Re: British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time

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Post by dragonwriter »

zoogeny wrote: post #540
kazinator wrote: post #406

> Residents will have eight months to prepare for Nov. 1, 2026, when the clocks would have been turned back one hour, but will now remain the same. That's an odd read. Residents have eight months to prepare for an event already known to be nonexistent: a non-happening.

I think this means preparing for BC to go out of sync with the US states we normally sync to (Washington, Oregon, California). However, there is some hope I've heard expressed that this may push one or more of those states to make the switch as well. Unlikely, but hey, a lot can happen in eight months (as this year is already proving).

US states cannot, under current federal law, go permanent daylight time (they can go permanent standard time, though), and they can't unilaterally make the latter have the same effect as the former by simultaneously switching time zones because they can't switch timezones without approval of the federal Department of Transportation. I don't see the current federal government making special accommodation for California, Oregon, or Washington on, well, anything in the next eight months, so...

Re: British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time

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Post by zoogeny »

dragonwriter wrote: post #541
zoogeny wrote: post #540

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this means preparing for BC to go out of sync with the US states we normally sync to (Washington, Oregon, California). However, there is some hope I've heard expressed that this may push one or more of those states to make the switch as well. Unlikely, but hey, a lot can happen in eight months (as this year is already proving).

US states cannot, under current federal law, go permanent daylight time (they can go permanent standard time, though), and they can't unilaterally make the latter have the same effect as the former by simultaneously switching time zones because they can't switch timezones without approval of the federal Department of Transportation. I don't see the current federal government making special accommodation for Californi…

I actually agree on how unlikely it is but the wildcard is Trump. I mean, he is the kind of guy who just goes with his gut and he has already publicly supported getting rid of the time change, calling it a "50-50 issue" (on which to go with, standard or savings).

The worse case is he pushes a federal change to standard time, in which case I suspect BC would have to go along.

Re: British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time

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Post by Zak »

jonny_eh wrote: post #10
bryanlarsen wrote: post #6

I would have preferred permanent standard time to permanent daylight time. But I accept I'm in the minority, and even permanent daylight time is far superior to changing clocks twice a year.

It's "standard" for a reason. Humanity settled on these numbers long ago because they work best. It boggles my mind why anyone would choose otherwise since what we do at any given hour is arbitrary.

> Humanity settled on these numbers long ago because they work best.

Standardized time zones are a recent invention (late 1800s through early 1900s). Working hours in that period were determined by what factory owners could get away with, and later shortened by pressure from labor movements.

Some time-related practices, like high school in most of the USA starting especially early in the morning are at odds with what research suggests would work best (teenagers on average perform best later in the day than adults or younger children).

It's wise to consider the reasons behind existing standards before changing them, but unwise to assume they're what works best without examining whether that's reality.

Re: British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time

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Post by brailsafe »

SpecialistK wrote: post #465
brailsafe wrote: post #426

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He's one of my fave local video ppl, fairly sure we live in the same neighbourhood

Please tell him I said hi and that I love the content!!

Haven't met him personally, but it's nice to hear he's as regionally popular as he is. I'm just going off the fact I've seen him around and he's often documenting nearby streets. It's good stuff and super informative.

Re: British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time

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Post by bryanlarsen »

Izkata wrote: post #531
stephen_g wrote: post #373

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In the same way, I have absolutely zero idea of what 90, 70 or 50 degrees Fahrenheit feels like - literally no intuition, those numbers seem foreign and disconnected from my experience, having always known and used Celsius. Celsius temperatures just make sense to me. It's literally just about growing up with it.

It's what someone might come up with without a scientific definition. Think of 0 - 100 F being (very very roughly) the survivable range for humans without special precautions beyond normal winter/summer clothes. -18 - 38 C is way more arbitrary from that perspective.

textbook post-hoc rationalization

Re: British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time

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Post by pkulak »

MarkusWandel wrote: post #489
pkulak wrote: post #253

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I guess. I'm at 46 degrees and civil twilight at Christmas starts at 7am. I get up at 6:30, so yeah, dead of winter, I spend 30 minutes in darkness. But that's better than 1:30. I guess it kinda hinges on this idea of "wasting" daylight. I don't feel like that. I want the sun to wake me up, and have no problem doing whatever I like when it's dark in the evening. Do people generally go on hikes after work? I go out fo…

Bike after work! (own latitude - 45.4N). In the summer the days are long enough that, with daylight saving time, you can be an office slave and still have time for a significant bike ride after work (having biked to work in the first place). Also at this latitude, without daylight saving time, the sun would be waking you up at 4AM! Totally happy with the time switch, but if it has to go, yes, give me daylight saving…

I used to bike commute every day, and rather enjoyed the cold rides home in the dark in the middle of winter. I always have great hear, and plenty of lighting. I guess my weird brain associates that stuff with winter holidays. I like trick-or-treating in the dark too. It just seems like where they belong.

But, what a terrible argument! "I prefer", haha. Oh well.

Re: British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time

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Post by Mawr »

loloquwowndueo wrote: post #116
zetanor wrote: post #31

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I've seen arguments about kids going to school in the darkness being thrown around a lot, but I've never understood why that (against fresh drivers) is always taken to be worse than kids coming home in the darkness (against exhausted drivers).

> kids coming home in the darkness (against exhausted drivers). If you’re exhausted you shouldn’t be driving. Period. You’re the danger to kids, not light or darkness. (Your headlights are in working order, right?)

Correct. Alas, we've designed our society around the expectation of everyone always getting everywhere via driving. And once you've driven to work, you probably don't have any other real option than to drive back.

Re: British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time

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Post by bethekidyouwant »

Groxx wrote: post #261

This will never not feel insane to me, it's just because no one wants to say "move classes and work an hour later on [x date]". Somehow changing noon away from noon is a better answer.

DST is move everything an hour earlier. Work starts at 8am instead of 9.
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