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The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Re: The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Post by udioron »

tw04 wrote: post #488
udioron wrote: post #485

I believe this is related for Iran's decades old calls for "Death to America"/"Death to Israel".

I believe that’s related to Israel’s genocide of Palestinian children and America’s unending unconditional support of the same.

Anyway, sticking to the "Death to America" strategy and choosing to run a global proxy war and killing their own people, instead of choosing peace, have led to this moment.

Lets pray for the people of Iran we get rid of the regime this time, and eventually reach peace in the middle east.

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Post by cobbaut »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #527
epolanski wrote: post #351

The president of peace btw. I'm baffled at the lack of calls to boycott the Fifa world cup in US. And at the double standards applied to Russians and Israelis in their wars of aggression. I guess Israel can play the "October 7th" card at least which was an insane horror.

> And at the double standards applied to Russians and Israelis in their wars of aggression To be fair, this is the new standard. Russia has promulgated it through its actions in Georgia and Ukraine. China with Tibet and Taiwan. America with Iraq, Venezuela and Iran. The old rules-based international order is dead, and with it Pax Americana .

> China with Tibet and Taiwan

What do you mean? China has bought Tibet from the British. And what have they done with Taiwan?

Re: The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Post by niels8472 »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #535

People are posting these choice quotes: "In order to get elected Barack Obama will start a war with Iran" —Donald Trump, Nov 29, 2011 "Barack Obama will attack Iran to get re-elected." —Trump, Jan 17, 2012 "Now that Obama's poll numbers are in tailspin watch for him to launch a strike on Libya or Iran. He is desperate." —Trump, Oct 9, 2012

Ill doers are illdeemers.

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Post by TheCondor »

swingboy wrote: post #330

A mere 8 months ago, Trump and his cronies were saying that Iran’s nuclear program was “totally obliterated” every chance they got.

And perhaps more importantly, “Suggestions otherwise are fake news”

https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2025/06/irans-nuclear-fa...

Re: The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Post by YeGoblynQueenne »

optimalsolver wrote: post #39

My previous comment: The most salient lesson of the post-Cold War era: Get nukes or die trying. A nation's relationship to other states, up to and especially including superpowers, is completely different once it's in the nuclear club. Pakistan can host bin Laden for years and still enjoy US military funding. North Korea can literally fire missiles over South Korea and Japan and get a strongly-worded letter of condem…

Or we can all shoot ourselves in the face. Faster, cheaper, and guaranteed to work every time. Ish.

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Post by gpderetta »

ruben81ad wrote: post #479
sega_sai wrote: post #363

The take home message from this is that the only way for any country to be secure is to have nuclear weapons.

This has nothing to do with nuclear weapons. The only problem here is that iran has petrol. Thats it.

> Iran has petrol

More than taking control of Iranian petrol, this is probably more an attempt at cutting off China access to it (and also generally eliminating one of their allies), same as for the Venezuelan invasion.

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Post by tlogan »

I hope this war will be short. And that the result will be Iran becoming a democracy that fully joins the global community. The Iranian people (Persians, Azerbaijanis, Kurds, and others), deserve better.

It would benefit the entire world to see Iran integrated and engaged internationally.

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Post by ethbr1 »

xg15 wrote: post #410
papaver-somnamb wrote: post #328

I recall someone (name escapes me at the moment) defining WW3 as ignition in 5 flashpoints between belligerent groupings: - Eastern Africa esp. Sudan, which we all nearly universally ignore - Israel Iran - Russia and a neighbor which we know today is Ukraine - Pakistan Afghanistan India - China Taiwan Plus Plus Attributes that distinguish WW3 from previous world wars were IIRC: Contained conflagration, short targeted…

> And essentially none of us will know the truth, even the reasons. Maybe not in the details, but the general geopolitical "axes" (USA/the "West" vs China/Russia/BRICS/"Global South"/etc) have become increasingly obvious in the last years. And so far, most of the recent conflicts fit pretty neatly into that pattern. Of course there are more things running in parallel, like the general shift to the right, Trump in the…

BRICS is Russia wishing that China (much less Brazil, Egypt, Ethiopia, India, Indonesia, South Africa, and the United Arab Emirates) were aligned to its interests.

A more accurate description of the way the world is trending:

US / UK / Europe / Japan / South Korea (still tied by defense, if push really comes to shove) vs Russia vs China vs Non-Aligned Nations (India, Indonesia, Egypt, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Ethiopia, Nigeria, etc.)

And historically (1960s), in a multi-polar world, middle powers are best served by being ambiguously aligned to force advantageous courting by major powers.

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