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Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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The talk about declaring anthropic a supply chain security risk (which doesn’t just remove it from DoW but also all the contractors and suppliers that supply DoW) was also accompanied by a completely different threat: to declare it national security need to take over then company. Prediction: in time, OpenAI will be declared such to privatise profits but socialise losses

Interesting. George hotz has said his motivation to start tinygrad was the worry that nvidia would be nationalized.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

#542

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Of course there are. But once it exists, a technology will be used for all purposes. The choice is in the making, anything else is virtue signaling.

One second, I have to go turn my stove off. It could be used to start a forest fire.

Not all products will get abused, there’s better tools already (like matches/lighters/etc) or there’s just no good abusive use cases. Some products are just begging to be abused. You can’t really tit for tat with a household appliance here, these straw men aren’t of the same planet.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

#543
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It's amusing to imagine spies from puny former British colonies snooping around the AT&T offices in trench coats and fedoras, but if this is the case, more likely they just share access to data from remote systems

You should definitely ask your local homeless veteran of their opinions of other forces. I highly doubt many will have anything but praise to express. When these things done right you won't hear about it.

Pardon?

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

#544

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This is one thing I cannot fault Trump on. He's really succeeded in reducing European reliance on, subservience to, and respect for the USA. Now if we can stand on our own and not just swing further towards China instead, he'll have produced an absolute miracle

> He's really succeeded in reducing European reliance on, subservience to, and respect for the USA. is that so?

Yes

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

#545
Jeff Dean could have done a lot of good and add his name to the list of signatories, seeing as how leaf of AI at Google or some such. He was supposed to be this super-smart dude, I guess he’s far from that.

Huge props for the the Google and OpenAI engineers that did sign this, for those that did realize that they’re fighting for a greater thing, not just for an extra zero or two added at the end of their bank accounts. Especially as they’re taking a great amount of risk by doing it, first of all, imo they are risking their current employment status.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

#546

This has much broader implications for the US economy and rule of law in the US. If government procurement rules intended for national security risks can be abused as a way to punish Anthropic for perceived lack of loyalty, why not any other company that displeases the administration like Apple or Amazon? This marks an important turning point for the US.

Yep, where does your trust lay now? It's been a minute of pretending it'll be okay.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

#547

This has much broader implications for the US economy and rule of law in the US. If government procurement rules intended for national security risks can be abused as a way to punish Anthropic for perceived lack of loyalty, why not any other company that displeases the administration like Apple or Amazon? This marks an important turning point for the US.

Trump was threatening Netflix for having a democrat on the board last week. They seized 10% of Intel. They forced Nvidia to tithe 25% of China revenue into a slush fund. The FCC has been used to censor comedy. The ship has sailed and the only consequence has been hand-wringing.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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The citation for your quote appears to be an unsourced Reddit post. The agreement at the heart of 5 Eyes is to not surveil the other nations - this must be up there for most persistently misunderstood fact among techies (probably why AI spits it out)

Unless there’s new information, this is exactly what the Snowden leaks exposed. Snowden wasn’t showing the world the NSA surveillance systems against them ; he was trying to show that the US was illegally spying on its own citizens by leveraging the five-eyes countries to collect and aggregate the data on their behalf.

I was always baffled by this "revelation". Everyone has always known about the five-eyes arrangement. It was common knowledge when I was growing up in the 70s. It wasn't new info.

There were a lot of things Snowden revealed, but most assuredly it was also about spying on US citizens. The NSA directly wiretapping people, even in cases when all communication was domestic. The NSA working to bypass security via routers diverted during shipping to Google, Facebook, and others, backdoors installed, thus compromising their infrastructure.

Back to the 5eyes, there is a difference in terms of scope and scale, when it comes to a foreign country spying on your citizens, and you doing it. The scope is entirely different, the scale, the capability.

It does matter whether it is 5eyes doing it, or whether it is domestic.

Now, does this stance matter overall? I don't know. It's a nice moral stance, I think. Is it functionally realistic?

I just don't know.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

#550
> permission to use our models for domestic mass surveillance and autonomously killing people without human oversight.

This sounds way worse than dystopian, Orwellian or big-brotherly, in a world where you can't even get a human to review the 'autonomously placed lock' on your email or social media account. The Terminator saga is perhaps a good fit. But I have a feeling that they won't stop even at that.

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