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A new California law says all operating systems need to have age verification

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Re: A new California law says all operating systems need to have age verification

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Reaction 1: how would this even work with embedded systems that have no UI to input this data? Reaction 2: it's open source, make the lawmakers do submit the changes. Reaction 3: how would this ever be enforced? Would they outlaw downloading distributions, or even older versions of distributions? When there's no exchange of money, a law like this is seems like it would be suppression of free speech. Reaction 4: Someo…

> Reaction 3: how would this ever be enforced? Would they outlaw downloading distributions, or even older versions of distributions? When there's no exchange of money, a law like this is seems like it would be suppression of free speech.

That's not what will happen. We've already seen examples of what will happen. So let me just list them instead:

1. The Secure Boot chain for UEFI initially mandated that only OS that were signed by Microsoft would be allowed to boot on PCs where SB is enabled. This was partially rolled back after public backlash.

2. iOS devices and majority of Android devices already don't allow you to install an alternate OS or distro.

3. Platform attestation proposals like Web Environment Integrity and its Android version.

4. Mandate that every developer must register with and pay an MNC to be able to release any app on their platforms.

Basically, they'll just take away your ability to control your device in any way. Don't be surprised if it turns out that these MNCs were behind such legislations. But this legislation is especially dangerous in that it will effectively kill user-controlled general-purpose computing, even from vendors like Pine64, Framework, System76, Fairphone and Purism who are willing to offer those.

Considering the amount of damage caused by these sort of legislative BS, those who propose and vote for such bills should be investigated publicly for corruption, conflict of interests and potential treason. They should be forced to divulge any relationship, directly or indirectly, with the benefactors of these bills. On the other side, rich corporations should be banned from 'lobbying' or bribery more appropriately, in matters that they have a stake in. And they should have stiff penalties for any violations. Not those couple of million dollar slaps on their wrist. At least 5% of their annual global profits, incarceration of top executives and breaking up the company. There has to be a consequence that's uncomfortable enough, for any fairness to be reestablished. This should apply even more for those professional lobbying firms and 'industry advocacy groups'.

People also need to start strongly opposing, rejecting and condemning justifications like this that rely on the cliche tropes of CSAM, terrorism, public safety, national security, etc. None of those measures are necessary or even useful in preventing any of those. Insistence on the contrary should be treated as an admission of inability and incompetence of the respective authorities in tackling the problem. In fact, why do they assume that kids, especially teens, are unimaginative and incapable of working around the problem? They should at least be starting with awareness campaigns to get the kids and the parents on their side and empower parents to enforce parental controls, instead of reaching for such despotic measure right away. This is like banning drugs before the problem of drug addiction is addressed. Black markets exist, even for cyberspace. It will just make the problem a whole lot worse.

And finally, don't let people without clearly proven vested interests anywhere near such regulations. And choose professionals or at least competent people for taking such decisions. You can't rein in this attack on ordinary people without stemming the uncontrolled corruption in the public offices that deal with it.

Re: A new California law says all operating systems need to have age verification

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https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtm... I think mistercheph is right to be concerned. This bill applies to all "operating system providers", defined thusly: (g) “Operating system provider” means a person or entity that develops, licenses, or controls the operating system software on a computer, mobile device, or any other general purpose computing device. Regarding penalities: 1798.503. (a) A…

>This bill applies to all "operating system providers", ... Not really. >...for the purpose of providing a signal regarding the user’s age bracket to applications available in a covered application store. So the OS has to provide an age signal to apps from a "covered application store" defined as: e) (1) “Covered application store” means a publicly available internet website, software application, online service, or…

Wouldn’t that classification apply to Linux package managers as well?

They are publicly available online services that distribute and facilitate the download of applications from third party developers to users of a general purpose computing device.

Re: A new California law says all operating systems need to have age verification

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> Maybe a better answer would be for US states to adopt the parliamentary system? Maybe. Maybe not. I don’t think it would change outcomes as much as people would think, but to scope limit this back to California again because electoral law discussions just fucking spiral anytime there’s no geographic constraint, the root of California’s lawmaking problems is that the legislature is both poorly structured and poorly…

A very widespread belief among political scientists is that parliamentary systems are superior to presidential systems in terms of stability and quality of governance. In fact, even the US State Department's own "nation-building" advisors tell other countries not to copy the US system (or at least they did prior to Trump, I'm honestly not sure if the Trump admin is sustaining that line or not) Presidential systems ha…

I’m aware of the history, but my point is that as a specific reform to pursue, it’s noise.

If California moves to a Parliamentary system but maintains the popular ballot initiative that has undermined legislative power and allowed legislators to disclaim & dodge responsibility, or maintain the system of term limits I originally called out, then it doesn’t matter whether it’s our current bicameral legislature plus 5 Constitutional officers in the Executive branch or a full on Westminster Parliamentary system or anything in-between: you’ll still run into a lot of the same issues because there are no silver bullets.

So I’m not saying it should never be up for consideration, but as a list of changes to make go? It’s too far down the list of serious considerations for me to view it as anything other than noise right now.

Re: A new California law says all operating systems need to have age verification

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There's an obvious theme with lawmakers in California—they pass laws to regulate things they have zero clue about, add them to their achievement page, cheer for themselves, and declare, "There! I've made the world a better place." There are just too many examples. For instance: - Microstamping requirements for guns—printing a unique barcode on every bullet casing (Glock gen3 cannot be retired, thus, the auto-mode swi…

How long until we have to scan our assholes to use the coffee machine?

we might as well just do a coffee enema at that point

Re: A new California law says all operating systems need to have age verification

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post #543

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A very widespread belief among political scientists is that parliamentary systems are superior to presidential systems in terms of stability and quality of governance. In fact, even the US State Department's own "nation-building" advisors tell other countries not to copy the US system (or at least they did prior to Trump, I'm honestly not sure if the Trump admin is sustaining that line or not) Presidential systems ha…

I’m aware of the history, but my point is that as a specific reform to pursue, it’s noise. If California moves to a Parliamentary system but maintains the popular ballot initiative that has undermined legislative power and allowed legislators to disclaim & dodge responsibility, or maintain the system of term limits I originally called out, then it doesn’t matter whether it’s our current bicameral legislature plus 5 C…

I guess the reality is, all proposed solutions have low odds of success, and their relative probability ranking is debatable.

At least something like "adopt the Australia/Canada model" is easier for people to understand, because while a radical change, they can point to somewhere else that has been doing it successfully for decades. Incremental tinkering with the current rules can make unengaged people mentally switch off by comparison; radical changes can be easier to understand because they can be simpler to explain.

I think one problem with the Australia/Canada model, is even though constitutional monarchy isn't essential to it – both countries could arguably function just as well if they were federal parliamentary republics – many Americans mentally conflate the parliamentary and constitutional monarchy aspects. If eventually either or both countries became republics, that would probably make it easier to sell the idea to Americans.

Germany is a living example of a federal parliamentary republic – but the language barrier limits its accessibility as a model for Anglophone emulation.

One backdoor way it might happen – although no doubt quite unlikely – would be if Alberta seceded from Canada, got admitted as a US state, but kept something close to its current parliamentary system.

Re: A new California law says all operating systems need to have age verification

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> echo - ok for all ages. > cat - 18+, prints the porn you found directly to your terminal. Sound good in theory, until you realise that any teenager knows perfectly well how to trivially get around the lack of `cat` to read their terminal smut: $ while read -r LINE; do echo $LINE; done

I am sick and tired of these teenagers and their sharing of bash oneliners on insta.

Obviously the solution is to ban their use of all social media so those pesky bash oneliners can't be shared in the first place!
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