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Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by joseda-hg »

regularfry wrote: post #522
rglullis wrote: post #501

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> If they can provide a relatively cheap subscription against the direct API use Except they can't. Their costs are not magically lower when you use claude code vs when you use a third-party client. > For me, this is fair. This is, plain and simple, a tie-in sale of claude code. I am particularly amused by people accepting it as "fair" because in Brazil this is an illegal practice.

> Except they can't. Their costs are not magically lower when you use claude code vs when you use a third-party client. I don't have a dog in this fight but is this actually true? If you're using Claude Code they can know that whatever client-side model selection they put into it is active. So if they can get away with routing 80% of the requests to Haiku and only route to Opus for the requests that really need it, t…

It (CC) does have a /models command, you can still decide to route everything to Opus if you just want to burn tokens I guess it's not default so most wouldn't, but still, people willing to go to a third party client are more likely that kind of power user anyway

They still have the total consumption under their control (*bar prompt caching and other specific optimizations) where in the past they even had different quotas per model, it shouldn't cost them more money, just be a worse/different service I guess

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by sambull »

ac29 wrote: post #182
scwoodal wrote: post #117

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So I’m not allowed to use the $20 plan and max out its limits?

You can max it out via first party clients only. I dont like it either, but its not an unreasonable restriction.

I do believe it's unreasonable. The limits are the limits, you reach them there's no more free lunch after.

Fix the limits, so the limits are reached at a rate that sustains their business.. ? obviously this WILL happen eventually when they need to pay for things.

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by baby »

skerit wrote: post #510
mihau wrote: post #318

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I agree that Claude Code is buggy as hell, but: > Let's not talk about the feature parity with other agents. What do you mean feature parity with other agents? It seems to me that other CLI agents are quite far from Claude Code in this regard.

Which other CLI agents are that? Because I've found OpenCode to be A LOT better than Claude-Code.

Whats better with opencode? Never tried it. I like that claude code has double escape, shift + tab, team of agents

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by brookst »

regularfry wrote: post #522
rglullis wrote: post #501

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If they can provide a relatively cheap subscription against the direct API use Except they can't. Their costs are not magically lower when you use claude code vs when you use a third-party client. > For me, this is fair. This is, plain and simple, a tie-in sale of claude code. I am particularly amused by people accepting it as "fair" because in Brazil this is an illegal practice.

> Except they can't. Their costs are not magically lower when you use claude code vs when you use a third-party client. I don't have a dog in this fight but is this actually true? If you're using Claude Code they can know that whatever client-side model selection they put into it is active. So if they can get away with routing 80% of the requests to Haiku and only route to Opus for the requests that really need it, t…

That’s not how Claude Code works. It’s not like a web chatbot with a layer that routes based on complexity of request.

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by b40d-48b2-979e »

notrealyme123 wrote: post #428
miroljub wrote: post #410

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What a weird metaphor for a company which most likely wants nothing more than growing markets.

It's not a metaphor at all, just racism.

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by brookst »

rglullis wrote: post #534
cma wrote: post #531

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> Their costs are not magically lower when you use claude code vs when you use a third-party client. If subsidizing that offering is a good hook to get higher paying API users on board, then some of that cost is a customer aquisition cost, whereas the cost to them of providing the API doesn't have the same proportion that they can justify as a customer acquisition cost.

I absolutely have zero concerns about their cost to acquire new customers. As a (former) customer, all I am concerned is the freedom to consume the service I am paying for however I see fit.

Is there any service in the world that gives you complete freedom on how you consume it? I can’t think of one.

Netflix: limits number of devices and stream quality and offline use.

AWS: does not allow any number of applications (spamming, crypto mining, adult content)

Airlines: do not allow smoking, boom boxes

Is there any service that gives complete freedom?

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by sarchertech »

Wobbles42 wrote: post #236
adrianN wrote: post #115

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Cars have also been dropping in price.

And knives apparently. I recently encountered this randomly -- knives are apparently one of the few products that nearly every household has needed since antiquity, and they have changed fairly little since the bronze age, so they are used by economists as a benchmark that can span centuries. Source: it was an aside in a random economics conversation with charGPT (grain of salt?). There is no practical upshot here, b…

Yeah I’d definitely take that knife thing with a grain of salt. I have most of a history degree, took a lot of Econ classes (before later going back for CS), and it’s a topic I’m very interested in and I’ve never heard that (and some digging didn’t find anything).

It’s also false that the technology has changed very little.

The jumps from bronze to iron to steel to modern steel and sometimes to stainless steel all result in vastly different products. Not to mention the advances in composite materials for handles.

Then you need to look at substitute goods and the what people actually used knives for.

A huge amount of the demand for knives evaporated thanks to societal changes and substitute goods like forks. A few hundred years ago the average person had a knife that was their primary eating utensil, a survival tool, and a self defense weapon. Knives like that exist today but they’re not something every household has or needs.

This is a good example of why learning from ChatGPT is dangerous. This is a story that sounds very plausible at first glance, but doesn’t make sense once you dig in.

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by TZubiri »

stavros wrote: post #477
TZubiri wrote: post #462

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Read the ToS, you are paying to use their products. If you want to use other products that integrate with the Anthropic LLMs they offer a product which is the API. You can use Opencode by connecting your API and being charged per token. Doesn't that make sense? If you use it more you get charged more, if you use it less you get charged less.

But you understand that they changed the ToS today, and that's what I'm complaining about, right? "Read the ToS" isn't an answer to "I don't like this ToS change".

I didn't see today's ToS change. But this was always against ToS. OpenClaw specifically is built against tech that breaks ToS.

Probably the ToS change was to make it more clear.

To be fair, the developer is the one breaking the ToS in the most significant way, breaking boilerplate reverse engineering clauses.

But the user also is very aware that they are doing something funny, in order to authenticate, the user is asked to authorize Claude Code, n ot Opencode or OpenClaw, it's clearly a hack and there is no authorization from Anthropic to OpenClaw, and you are not giving Anthropic authorization to give access to OC, the user asks Anthropic to give access to Claude Code, the only reason this works is because OC is pretending to be Claude Code.

The bottom line issue is that as a user you are paying for a subscription to a package that includes an expected usage. That package is not metered, but it is given on the condition that you will use it as it is expected to be used, by chatting manually with the chatbot, which results in a reasonable expected token usage. By using a program that programatically calls the chat interface, the token consumption increases beyond what was part of the original deal, and so the price should be different.

A similar scenario would be if you go to an all you can eat buffet, you pay for a single person, but then you actually unload an army of little clones that start eating the whole buffet. Technically it was an all you can eat buffet and you paid the price right? Well no, come on, don't play dumb.

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by sambull »

fastball wrote: post #272
sambull wrote: post #84

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Is there any limits to that users 200/month? Why should they not be able to use the limits to the extent from other tools? If openclaw chews my 200/month up in 15 days... I don't get more requests for free

There is no monthly limit, it (currently) is a weekly and 5-hourly limit. If they allow anyone to use any tool with their subscription service, you could have a system (like OpenClaw) which involves 0 human interaction and is constantly consuming 100% of your token limit, then waiting until limits reset to do it all over again. It seems fairly clear that Anthropic is probably losing money on such usage patterns. Once…

There are 4 weeks in a month.

4 periods of weekly limits, is a monthly limit.

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