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US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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So instead of using a VPN that might have weird relationships with spy agencies, you just use one run by the US government? Clever idea to spy on the stupidest people in the world I guess.

Also I’m guessing they won’t allow this to be used to get around the sorts of content blocking project 2025 calls for in the US.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

#542
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It's not a hoax , it's a straight up lie .

https://archive.ph/bdEqK >>Police make 30 arrests a day for offensive online messages >The police are making more than 30 arrests a day over offensive posts on social media and other platforms. >Thousands of people are being detained and questioned for sending messages that cause “annoyance”, “inconvenience” or “anxiety” to others via the internet, telephone or mail. >Custody data obtained by The Times shows that off…

"What is illegal offline should be illegal online: Council agrees position on the Digital Services Act"

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2021...

I believe you are referring to UK examples, which are not representative for Europe or covered under the DSA.

The overall message still applies; harassment and death threats are no less legal and no more legal because they happen online.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

#543
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Nope. People are certainly being arrested for speech (e.g. opinions) that would be protected by the first amendment in the US. Guising it under a scary sounding law doesn’t change the nature of it.

The people in Europe have a different view of freedom of speech and that’s fine. Not everything that’s a slightly different perspective on freedom of speech and what that entails and includes is tyranny.

I’m European and I do not. France and the UK especially come from the same liberal intellectual root as the USA. What we see today is a bastardisation of these principles in Europe. Only the US was smart enough to canonise it into law.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Press freedom !== entirety of freedom of speech European politicians are calling every day to censor social media. People are arrested regularly for social media posts. Censorship is absolutely an issue in Europe and it’s only getting worse. I welcome such an attitude as this.

The US's low press freedom index is precisely because people are being legally intimidated for wrongthink. It is not limited to the press, either. Mahmoud Khalil (the Palestinian activist detained by ICE on fake immigration charges for his political speech) is a famous example, but there are many. The US's "commitment to free speech" is nowadays not very much more noble than Russia's principled stand against economic…

Plenty of people in the UK are arrested for wrongthink. You might think that's justified (e.g. because it is hateful) but it is still arresting someone for speech.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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As someone living in an EU state who has to regularly turn my VPN on and off to have full internet access, I can't agree with you that it's a "hoax". It's inconvenient enough for me that I'm looking into having a custom router that will switch between VPN destinations depending on what site I'm accessing. Also "EU countries have higher press freedom than the US" is a strawman argument. We're not talking about press f…

What content are you missing? Off the top of my head, the type of content most likely to ve missing in Europe would be: - geofenced media - commercial sites intentionally removing eu access because of gdpr. That's it. Those are the only cases where I could not access sites from tbe EU. At least the ones I encountered. And do notice, both of them are not filtered by the EU or anything like this. They are enforced at t…

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Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

#546

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What do you think cloudflare is? This is just them coming out with it now.

Also MITM? The comment you are replying to in no way implies that this is the only MITM.

Since they masquerade as example.com with an https certificate that your browser will trust: yes.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

#547
post #530

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Nope. People are certainly being arrested for speech (e.g. opinions) that would be protected by the first amendment in the US. Guising it under a scary sounding law doesn’t change the nature of it.

The people in Europe have a different view of freedom of speech and that’s fine. Not everything that’s a slightly different perspective on freedom of speech and what that entails and includes is tyranny.

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Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

#548
post #530

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope. People are certainly being arrested for speech (e.g. opinions) that would be protected by the first amendment in the US. Guising it under a scary sounding law doesn’t change the nature of it.

The people in Europe have a different view of freedom of speech and that’s fine. Not everything that’s a slightly different perspective on freedom of speech and what that entails and includes is tyranny.

So there is censorship, you just think that it is good. That's fine! But you should own the position and justify it on its own terms instead of pretending that it doesn't count as censorship.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

#549
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And truth.

You don't have to worry about projecting truth. The truth gets through. This is about projecting lies.

"The truth gets through."

Yeah I agree, we shouldn't be too concerned about Iran, Russia, or China, censoring the internet, the truth gets through.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

#550

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https://archive.ph/bdEqK >>Police make 30 arrests a day for offensive online messages >The police are making more than 30 arrests a day over offensive posts on social media and other platforms. >Thousands of people are being detained and questioned for sending messages that cause “annoyance”, “inconvenience” or “anxiety” to others via the internet, telephone or mail. >Custody data obtained by The Times shows that off…

"What is illegal offline should be illegal online: Council agrees position on the Digital Services Act" https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2021... I believe you are referring to UK examples, which are not representative for Europe or covered under the DSA. The overall message still applies; harassment and death threats are no less legal and no more legal because they happen online.

the UK is located in europe, this US plan is about pushing for more free speech in europe

whether or not 30 arrests per day for social media posts is exclusive to the UK it is relevant to the OP link

>harassment and death threats

we both know that this is not what's being discussed here

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